At the last Public Works and Infrastructure meeting, Councillor De Baeremaeker asked to make a part-time bike lane. We found out at the Toronto Cycling Advisory Committee (TCAC) meeting that he had backed off of this idea, and we will be getting a full-time bike lane. But I thought it was in interesting idea that is worth considering.
A part-time bike lane is where parking is allowed some/most of the time, but becomes a bike lane during rush hour (or at other times when parking is removed) when parking is not allowed.
Yes, there are draw backs, and it's not as good as a full-time dedicated bike lane. But I think that this is a good idea for some areas where getting bike lane has proved extremely difficult, like Bloor/Danforth. In fact I mentioned this at the last TCAC meeting.
It is my hope that part-time bike lanes help create a "back door" to getting permanent bike lanes on Bloor/Danforth.
What do you think? Should we try it?
Comments
hamish (not verified)
gradualism denies the climate carisis
Mon, 09/29/2008 - 13:29Yes, Anthony, having a part-time bike lane somewhere is worth exploring - I don't mean to dump on the idea as much as the headline suggests.
But what would it look like? How would it be marked? How would it function? Would there be any enforcement?
And while it may seem like it'd be a way of getting more bike lanes in more places, it can also be a means to dilute what we already have. You weren't around for the fracas with the College lane between Spadina and Bathurst where the local Res Assoc and Brown and Storey were keen on having a "moveable" bike lane. (I was).
They suggested removing the westbound bike lane for a wide curb lane instead with new markings - I can't remember exactly what was suggested, but it was inferior for a key five/six blocks of our limited core bike network.
So we had to squawk and be obstreporous - but we were able to keep the westbound bike lane despite making life difficult for then-Councillor Chow, and we were also able to get the thing continuous as the streetcar tracks were jogged south a bit to eliminate a narrower part of the street on the north side (there's an ever so slight curve in these blocks it seems)
As for Bloor/Danforth - given that 15 years ago the wider segments in the core were given the #1 desirable status for east-west bike lanes, why be so timid in light of all the climate problems and our lack of constraining emissions?The subway offers so much mobility that it makes this segment the most logical place in Southern Ontario for bike lanes in my view.
Maybe for the tighter portions between Spadina and Dundas St. W/Roncesvalles something could be suggested as it's closer to Harbord St, than the eastern wider segments is to Wellesley St.. Queen St. might be superb for this: maybe it's just a rush hour no cars in curb lane - all for bikes signage/bylaw (which would require political will beyond the normal batch of sustain-the-bull).
But I'm less keen on compromising and moving to a new "standard" if we don't have a network sub-committee or equivalent to thrash this out.
And it'd be really helpful if you, and readers could suggest signage and markings and even examples where this is done.
Kevin (not verified)
How would it work???
Mon, 09/29/2008 - 15:33I'm not all sure about this idea.
My problem is envisioning how it would work.
Hamish raises many of the same points above.
If it looked like a bike lane; and we allowed parking sometimes...Wouldn't drivers get the idea its ok to park in bikelanes????
We already have a problem with that.
On other hand, if it looks like a normal traffic lane/parking lane; then why would drivers drive through it, if it were not obstructed by parked cars?
Unless were planning on pushing the city to play with retractable bollards.....
I just don't see how this comes out working well.
I would much rather not compromise, of course......
But if compromise is a must; then I'd rather seek bike lanes one way on a street, and run a parallel route the opposite way on another street; or just get the essential streets for the network; build up the biking movement, then come back for others as numbers warrant.
Though at this point, we cant' even seem to get approved bike lanes painted. There are still lanes approved LAST YEAR (Lower Yonge) that have not gone in; and many lanes approved since spring that we are waiting for; sigh.
One thing at a time; I guess.
Erhard
Why not set up such a lane, as a trial
Tue, 09/30/2008 - 18:04These are all valid considerations, and it's easy to predict either success or failure of such a design - but we are just guessing. It has potential as a tool in Toronto's bike trail design, and we should work with the city to put one such lane in, specifically as an experiment.
If it's done right, it will show whether it will work or not, and we'll gain experience that may be useful in other contexts.
Darren_S
Track record
Wed, 10/01/2008 - 09:43Anthony, are you talking about floating bike lanes. Lanes that are at the curb during rush hour then shift to the left of the parked cars at other times?
http://respect.to/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Library.ComparisonOfCollegeAndPender...
Regardless, the City's track record on experiments has been less than stellar. Do we really want them to lose focus?
Erhard
Experiments - one gotta stay with them....
Wed, 10/01/2008 - 12:02...from proposal right through completion. Set the goals, participate in definition and implementation, and keep monitoring right to the end. Participate in writing the summary, and if no consensus is possible, write your own.
What do we know of previous bike experiments by the city? I am aware of one - the Bikeshare program, and that died unfortunately. And Herb provided an excellent summary and assessment during the last TCAC meeting.
Tone (not verified)
Jarvis as an example
Wed, 10/01/2008 - 11:04Jarvis (I think it's Jarvis) has a central traffic lane that runs north in the morning rush and south in the evening rush, designated by an overhead light.
Perhaps a curb lane could be designed the same way -- with a red light for cars during rush hour (when it is a designated bike lane) and a green light for cars on off periods to allow parking.
There would obviously be some infrastucture costs, but drivers are well trained to respond to red lights as "no-go."