The Toronto Star has a couple of bike infrastructure related stories today:
In THE MINUTES: City Council the Star reports that the Lawrence Ave. East. bike lanes between Victoria Park Ave. and Rouge Hills Dr. have been approved by City Council. We reported on this earlier, but now it's official.
You probably though that the whole Lansdowne Residents vs. Adam Giambrone kerfuffle was over, didn't you? Well, there was a public meeting about it last night, and it sounds like everyone is still angry at Giambrone (personally, I love the new Lansdowne Ave. streetscape). The Star has all the details in their article, Giambrone taught lesson by residents.
Comments
hamish (not verified)
clearly change is difficult in Giambrone's ward
Wed, 12/03/2008 - 12:47i think the cititzens of Mr. G.'s turf like their cars, or so it seems. So it's a bit alarming that there's such vitriol and resentment for some changes that do make it a bit better for cyclists though I didn't think it was such an important link to make. We need the east-west far far more than the north-south - and that means either Bloor in that area over to Ossington thus to Harbord - or College St. to somewhere, at least Brock. So on one hand, we need to support Mr. G in trying to make bike-positive change where it's needed; and on the other hand, I have some glee about this pasting as Mr. G flipped on the Front St. Extension, first being opposed to it ahead of his initial election, and then somehow, changing his mind on it to support it even though it was clear to some of us that letting the Gardiner cars exit at Front St. would further burden the King and Queen St. streetcars, and where are the transit options anyway?
Mr. G also moved the inital study- actually "communication" for the takethetooker c. 3 years ago, and yet 6 weeks or so later moved another motion to change the parking regs on his chunk of Bloor to increase parking, and geez, we're still waiting for that study, now enlarged, and we also found there was an on-the-shelf study from 15 years ago that has Dan Egan's name within it.
But more worrisome may be the difficulties in getting bike stuff in that area.... the politricks are viscaral
jnyyz
Dupont, Dundas to Lansdowne
Wed, 12/03/2008 - 13:54Unfortunately, I don't believe that there was any public consultation on the bike lanes going in on Dupont from Dundas W to Lansdowne. I don't think that there was any for Ward 14 either. Of course there were public meetings for Ward 13, and we all know what happened there......
My worry is the negative reaction went the traffic gets reduced to one lane in either direction. Plenty of press about the Annette St. bike lanes, but most people don't realize that they will extend east to Lansdowne.
vic
Dupont, and Lansdowne N. of Bloor
Wed, 12/03/2008 - 14:13jnyyz,
I have the same concern about Dupont, and also Lansdowne Ave. north of Bloor to Dupont. Those are both supposed to be getting bike lanes, but I haven't heard of any public consultation on them.
In the case of Dupont, I believe the City notified the businesses (and maybe nearby residents) along hat stretch, but I haven't heard much controversy from anyone.
Many of the new road markings are now painted on Annette, so bike lanes will probably be done soon. I'm guessing the Dupont lanes will go in around the same time.
Arnold (not verified)
Lawerence Ave lanes are not welcomed by all
Wed, 12/03/2008 - 20:37I live in scarborough and I praise the approval of the lawerence lanes, I'm worried they won't actually get built, I read the local news, and most editorials seem to demonize the lanes.
Statements saying that lawerence will be reduced by one full traffic lane in either direction, and other negative statements are dominating coverage of the lawerence stretch of lanes.
perhaps the question is who do we contact to thank them for approving these lanes and who do we need to encourage to make sure they are completed?
herb
thank your councillors
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 13:56Send a note of thanks to your councillor and to the mayor.
I did a cursery look at the news about the Lawrence East bike lanes on non-cycling related websites and couldn't find anything negative. Any links?
I'm guessing the negative response constitutes what we normally call "participatory democracy" where people mouth off on whatever topic with no sense of shyness over a lack of basic knowledge on the matter. Such is what is happening with the backlash against Giambrone. The residents there (or at least the loudest) seem to have come to the conclusion that the City got absolutely everything wrong with Lansdowne. They even have conclusive proof that all cyclists find it more dangerous than before. Funny I don't remember them asking me.
At the risk of seeming anti-democratic, I'll say there are times when we should leave it to the experts.
J (not verified)
Herb, I think Arnold was
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 01:07Herb,
I think Arnold was referring to this "gem" found in the Scarborough Mirror
http://www.insidetoronto.com/article/60037
As you suggested, it is definitely "participatory democracy"....if only we had a benevolent dictator. ha.
Ryan
The Case Ootes Defence
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 10:49Ootes had similar "environmental" reasons for opposing the lanes on Cosburn: Less room for cars means slower traffic, more idling and greenhouse gases! Bicycles lanes are bad for the environment!
anthony
Sharrows disliked by many
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 11:55People on Dundas East are also complaining about the Sharrows installed there.
See Cyclists, drivers split hairs over split lanes from The Bulletin (Dec 01, 2008)
Not everyone is enthused by Sharrows. The Annette street fight earlier this year was to get bike lanes, not the offered sharrows. All of the people involved with this fight thought sharrows to be useless, or worse. In fact some mentioned how much worse Lansdowne is as a specific example of why sharrows were not an acceptable "compromise".
Me, I suppose sharrows have their place, but I don't think that we've really found it yet in Toronto.
herbdool (not verified)
There seems to be a dearth
Mon, 12/08/2008 - 13:33There seems to be a dearth of evidence. The Lansdowne folks seem to have all the answers without having to gather any evidence whatsoever on whether traveling on Lansdowne is more dangerous or not, whether cyclists are happier with it now or before, or whether sharrows are worse than nothing at all.
People like to say a lot of sh_t. The louder they are, the more emphatic, the more it seems like the truth to many. Why would anyone say it so forcefully if it wasn't actually true? This kind of "participatory democracy" is crap. You might as well just put up a poll and let people vote on what is better: Sharrows, Paris Hilton, or peanut butter and jam sandwiches? Personally I vote for PBJ.
If someone wants to compile cyclists actual experiences on Lansdowne I'll put in my own experience: I can now bike a lot further out from car doors and I don't feel like I'm forcing drivers to drive too far in the other lane. It's not ideal but it's a heck of a lot better than before.
I fail to see how sharrows on Lansdowne were a compromise since there never was room or plans for bike lanes.
geoffrey (not verified)
the CASE for Sharerows
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 14:33There is no defense against Case Ootes other than letting his asphyxiating expirants to take their toll on he and his descendants. Unfortunately the rest of us who passively ride out his self destruction are stuck with the fallout.
The problem with sharerows is transportation keeps trying to shoehorn them into the curbgutter to replace legal bike lanes. Sharerows belong in the traffic lane. Not in the door zone. They should be a warning to motorists to expect cyclists taking the lane as opposed to a direction to cyclists to ride in the curb gutter or door zone.
tanya
sharrows need accompanying signage
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 15:05Of course as Geoffrey mentions the sharrows need to be in the middle of the lane rather than the door zone.
But they also need signs as well, so drivers know what they mean! And redundancy helps get the message across.
These look great,
http://www.thewashcycle.com/2008/12/signs-to-pass.html
(for the clicking lazy, the signs say "Bicyclists allowed use of full lane" in a diamond and then in a rectangle underneath say "Change lanes to pass cyclists".
And these are real signs on the road in california!
anthony
Not everyone is happy with bike lanes on Lawrence
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 12:45There are still many who don't recognize the value of being able to move people on bikes to local retail and community destinations, but see "biking for transportation" as merely commuting.
It is recognized that cycling's modal share is continuing to grow in Toronto's core at a pace faster than growth, however cycling's growth outside the core is not acknowledged. And cyclists' many and varied purposes for using bikes as transportation continue to be misunderstood and/or deliberately misinterpreted in order to further a "roads are for cars" mentality.
When the issue of safety comes up, it's a weird "the bikes don't belong on the road for their own safety" type of argument, as forwarded here. Let's be clear here, the bikes are not what's unsafe, it's the tons of metal moving too fast while being controlled by drivers who are barely qualified for in the operations of such heavy machinery that makes the roads unsafe. Insurance does not save us from our own stupidity, it merely covers most of the costs of the damage that we caused.
It is because of the unwillingness of drivers to share the road responsibly with cyclists that we've had to create bike lanes, we've done this because bikes belong on roads, but have had to dedicate their own space for them. It's this reserved space that makes cycling safer on roads. Separating bike traffic to off road paths introduces many other problems, conflict and friction points, and lessens the visibility of cycling as a viable mode of transportation. Indeed, it treats cycling as a recreation. On the other hand, it can often be nicer to ride on these trails when they are designed properly, when the server useful endpoints, and when the only destinations are in the facilities that contain the trail, such as Toronto's Western Waterfront.
Here's the example criticism written as a letter to the editor that disturbed me:
from http://www.insidetoronto.com/article/60809
anthony
Put to a vote, bike lanes would lose
Tue, 12/16/2008 - 23:40In another letter to the editor, we see bike lanes being attacked in Scarborough.
From http://www.insidetoronto.com/article/60037
You can read the whole thing for yourself, but I will offer a few counter arguments here:
First, we're not taking away overall capacity – we're adding capacity. One bike lane handles up to about 2000 bikes/hour while one lane only allows about 800 cars an hour -- at 1.15 people per car that's about 920 people/hour gainst 200 people/hour. Granted you'd likely not ride with your kids every day, that's why we have not completely closed the road to private motor cars, you can still get there by car, it just may take you a bit longer.
As for the environmental "savings" by not having the cars idle, this is a bogus argument that is merely meant to fight against improvements like this. Taking cars off the road by reducing capacity is where we will get the savings as overall emissions are reduced, even if the few remaining cars emit a bit more.
The roads are clogged with cars because cars are an extremely inefficient way to move people around. Per person the car more uses more real estate than for any other mode of transportation. And it's cars that make the street level hostile to cyclists and pedestrians. Adding more capacity for cars only make congestion worse, and make the environment more hostile to pedestrians and cyclists. The only answer is to take away capacity and move towards more efficient means of moving people around, like public transit and cycling.
The fact that you have to travel so far between destinations is another factor to be blamed on cars. Because of cars we developed suburbs, large areas of very low density housing that required large distances between where people lived and where people could go to do useful things, like shopping, community centres, or even to work. Developers won't increase densities without the infrastructure in place to support it, i.e. public transit, and additional community resources cannot built until there is enough local population to support it.
And as for busses being inefficient in congested mixed mode traffic, we know that already, and that is why Toronto is trying to aggressively move forward with its Transit City plans. By putting LRT and streetcars on to dedicated right-of-ways they no longer operate in mixed mode traffic and can move quicker than the congested cars can. The idea is to make the trips taken on busses relatively short before you can get on to one of these Transit City lines.
Additionally, people who live in the city pay taxes to pay for our roads whether they drive a car or not. Bike lanes benefit everybody, and therefore it is fair to pay for it out of the municipal tax base. Cars cause more wear and tear on our roads, and therefore it is fair that they pay a bit more with the registration tax they now have to pay each year when renewing our licence stickers.
Lastly, people won't use a bike anytime of year unless they feel safe to do so. Bike lanes are an important part of encouraging more people to use bicycles for at least some of the trips that they would otherwise make. Bicycling make sense for many trips, but not for all. Some are better off on public transit, and some are better off by car. By discouraging car use, and encouraging these other modes of transport, we move people more efficiently around our city, better (and more equitably) utilizing our public spaces through which we move people and goods. The few trips that are best served by car can still be made that way, but by having other viable alternatives, not all trips need be made by car.
theodore (not verified)
what a shame
Wed, 12/17/2008 - 00:08cars are never essential
but lazyness for many is an imperative
how can we make up for our small penises without 4 tonne metal exoskeletons?
he's raising his kids in a very sad world
brian
IT's about mindset and perceptions too
Wed, 12/17/2008 - 10:31Anthony,
You have to look in the mirror and realise it's about mindset, too. Nevermind the infrastructure, though demonstrating "care" with tangible deliverables is a good start.
You're an exemplary cycling father. but that comes from awareness, knowledge, education, not environment. That's the difference : you know how to cycle safely, effectively, cooperatively. Mr Scarborough does not. He's never been taught how to ride a bike, or navigate like a vehicle in traffic. Your mindset and attitude towards cycling diddn't develop as a result of any terrain or infrastructure you experienced. I am guessing it came from learning for your own enjoyment; learning how to learn, and teaching others how to learn. That, I hope, is what people mean when they say Education is a key component of Bike Plan.
That is what I mean by changing perceptions and behavior towards cycling. Not only did post WWII bring automobiles, suburbs, and shopping malls; it also fostered ignorance and misplaced attitude towards physical activity and sustainable living; cycling in particular.. Our generation are victims of the American Dream, but thank goodness we have woken up and realised the foolishness of our ways. And thanks for some of our leaders, like you, who have been aware all along that living in low density suburbs with automobiles to make it all happen is unrealistic and incorrect.
So now we have to play a little catch up, and re-educate folks so they know that physical activity is realistic and achieveable; that changing behavior and attitude, especially on the roads, is key, and that the whole process begins with ourselves, just like you Anthony. Be the change you want to see; and you are, congratulations!
brian