Some good news on Jarvis: it looks like bike lanes are increasingly likely.
From the bikeunion tweet:
Councilor Rae's motion to amend transportation report to redesign Jarvis with bike lanes in, adopted unanimously! Next stop City Council
At yesterday's Public Works and Infrastructure Committee meeting Transportation Services was recommending a Jarvis re-design that didn't include bike lanes. Councillor Kyle Rae, however, presented his preferred design option with bike lanes. It appears that Rae is a powerful figure.
Anthony of the bike union informed me that the room was packed with pro-car opponents who all wore the same T-shirts arguing their case for keeping all the car lanes. But in the battle for the hearts of the PWIC the bike union members along with a number of local impassioned cyclists made ardent cases for improving the Jarvis landscape for cyclists as well as pedestrians.
It's not over, but it seems likely that City Council will approve the bike-friendly design. (And, drivers, yes. It is a conspiracy against cars.)
Comments
PedalPowerPat
The Streets Are For People
Wed, 05/06/2009 - 12:05Rolling metal death dealers do not belong in the streets.
Down with the dino-juice addicts!
jamesmallon (not verified)
Before you get excited...
Wed, 05/06/2009 - 13:18Before you get excited, read John Barber's dismissal of the importance of this, to all parties: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090506.BARBER06ART225...
If cycling and walking are going to be made safer sooner than ten years out, it comes down to policing drivers properly. Bike lanes are at best meaningless to drivers, thus meaningless to safety; worse, they encourage cyclists to hug the door zone, as Toronto will not sacrifice parking to safety.
Before someone responds with some crap about bad cyclists, that's a red herring: there are only good and bad people. I'd rather be hit by a bad pedestrian than a bad cyclist than a bad driver: the law should reinforce that heirarchy of responsibility based on potential negligence.
Random cyclist (not verified)
Today Jarvis, tomorrow Bloor?
Wed, 05/06/2009 - 14:40Today Jarvis, tomorrow Bloor?
Juan (not verified)
Let's hope so!
Wed, 05/06/2009 - 18:26Let's hope so!
anthony
some news links Re: Jarvis
Thu, 05/07/2009 - 08:42And this one, which also appeared on May 6th
Pedal-pushers a problem Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun
My response to this is: If cyclists weren't so bullied by drivers in their oversized cars, they wouldn't be on the sidewalks. This is why we have to take lanes away from those naughy drivers and give some space to the cyclists. If drivers could actually share the road in a safe way with cyclists, we wouldn't have to be fighting for bike infrastructure.
Random cyclist (not verified)
The Joe Warmington column you
Thu, 05/07/2009 - 10:03The Joe Warmington column you cite is unbelievable.
there is nothing more dangerous on the road than bikes.
*It might not be popular to say, but by original design, bikes really don't belong on the road at all with streetcars, trucks, cars and motorcycles -- for the same safety reasons that ball hockey is outlawed on city streets, too. *
A complete idiot.
anthony
follow-up to Warmington from the Sun, in the Star again
Thu, 05/07/2009 - 10:20The Toronto Sun was good enough to follow-up on Warmington's article today with a rebuttal from Vivian Song, which is called: Mean streets: It's bike vs. car
The Star finally weighed in on Jarvis, and it agrees that the staff's concept fo the street doesn't go far enough. See Bumpy road to a greener urban core by Royson James.
anthony
I like Torontoist's reporting of this best
Thu, 05/07/2009 - 09:29see http://torontoist.com/2009/05/four_wheels_good_two_wheels_bad.php
anthony
InsideToronto.ca
Thu, 05/07/2009 - 10:29Residents argue for more consultation over Jarvis Street makeover David Nickle, InsideToronto.ca
Screw Bikes!!!! (not verified)
Jarvis is one of the last main arteries in toronto
Fri, 05/08/2009 - 10:12**** Jarvis is a street of famous architecture and the one of a kind 5th lane. I would say it adds character to the area. Driving in Toronto is necessity for some like me, I am a Relator and constantly driving far distances around the city. Furthermore i have ridden professional road in canada, long tours and I believe that if you dont know how to ride without a bicycle lane you should'nt be on a bicycle.
Tanya Q (not verified)
Riding without bike lanes
Fri, 05/08/2009 - 10:38I consider myself an experienced urban cyclist and most of the time prefer no bike lanes to bike lanes. But I fully support creating bike lanes on Jarvis. As you said, right now, Jarvis is being used as a main artery. I don't believe it should be as it cuts through the heart of downtown. Many that want a fast way to drive downtown don't have to, and those that do need to drive will have to get used to the fact it will be at a city-friendly speed.
The lanes on Jarvis are very narrow and not shareable with a bike and car. So fine, I do what I do in every situation like this and take the lane by riding in the center. But I have to say drivers on Jarvis are very hostile towards this and the resulting fury isn't worth it. So I avoid Jarvis, but sometimes if your destination is on Jarvis you can't avoid it!
Tom Flaherty
One of a Kind?
Fri, 05/08/2009 - 10:48I understand that cyclists need to be able to ride without a Bike Lane, that makes sense to me. But at the same time we need to find ways to improve Toronto's cycling infrastructure if we want to get more people cycling instead of driving, the examples in New York ,Chicago, Portland, Montreal and Copenhagen are there for us to follow.
That said, if you believe that the 5th driving lane on Jarvis adds character, then maybe I'm wasting my time. If you're a fan of roadways, perhaps the city planners could run a few multi-lane roads in front of your house, or the ones you are trying to sell?
Screw Bikes!!!! (not verified)
Cars, Trucks Are Not Leaving***
Fri, 05/08/2009 - 11:29Cars and Trucks Aren't Going Anywhere, They're Here To Stay
Like I said I ride Bikes as well i am no different then any of you. I Just believe that Jarvis is a great street the way it is!! i would much rather perfer a street like yonge having bike lanes because its a street which traffic isnt going to move well with or without bike lanes its a tourist area as well. jarvis is a great street as a traffic artery as well as adelaide and richmond. Furthermore the best use of any property on jarvis is commercial/residential rental due to high property taxes, that being said yes it would be much easier to sell a property on jarvis with multiple lanes.
Random cyclist (not verified)
Toronto cyclists, for the
Mon, 05/18/2009 - 00:17Toronto cyclists, for the most part are a menace, and the bike lanes only encourage their hooliganist attitudes. Whichever twit is anti-car needs to do some research. Canada has the world's 2nd largest land mass & the largest person per land ratio. We live where we can afford and we get a job where we get hired. I live in Mississauga, work in Etobicoke and I go to school in Toronto. Public transit doesn't accommodate my needs, neither does a bike for daily commuting. I took transit for 15 years when it met my needs.
I am a conscientious driver who drives in downtown Toronto (NA's 5th largest city) three times per week. I am Toronto born and raised. Invariably I come across at least one reckless cyclist every time I am in Toronto. They proceed through intersections on red lights. They use the bike lane but charge at my car, when they are behind me, and I am making a right hand turn. I have the right of way in this situation, a bike is suppose to stop and wait till I have completed my turn, but they scream and shout at me. One guy was dumb enough to bang my car, I "talked" to him, he won't be doing that again to anyone. Other cyclists want to be both a pedestrian and a vehicle. They use the bike lane, they recklessly weave in and out of traffic and then they use the sidewalk. I have seen many rush through crosswalks when the sign was lit and people were crossing. Some have come dangerously close to hitting children and babies in strollers.
So this is why I am against more bike lanes. Originally I was for them, but they have seemed to engender a sense of reckless entitlement among cyclists. Although I am a environmentalist, I am also a capitalist. My taxes on gasoline pay for those roads, if you ride a bike, you don't pay for the taxes to build the roads, so in a very real sense, I own those roads, not you. Now I would like to see responsible bike riding in Toronto. It is environmental, if you live close to work, it is a great way to commute. It is cheaper than owning a car and it takes up less space. However cyclists have to start acting responsibly, until then no support for bike lanes. Perhaps we need to start issuing licenses and mandatory insurance for cyclists. That may make them more accountable.
FYI I own a bike and I cycle, responsibly, on weekends.
Luke Siragusa
Re: Toronto cyclists, for the
Mon, 05/18/2009 - 17:35Hmm, a capitalist AND an environmentalist all rolled into one. Whooda thunk that melding the perspectives of J.P. Morgan and David Suzuki would sprout a contention by Mickey Mouse?
Let's start with a fundamental maxim of the dismal science: goods, to the extent they're free or subsidized, generate demand. Give it away and folks are gonna line up -- even though they may neither crave nor benefit by it. Always lotsa queues around cheap fast food, cheap mortgages and, the perennial favourite, free highways and parking. (Lotsa effects thereby: fat asses and diabetes, financial implosion and gridlock and smog.)
But, of course, there's no free anything; it's really your gasoline taxes that pay for the works, right? Better grab the abacus and enrol in remedial math because your figures don't add up. The fact is that gas and associated taxes levied upon motorists don't even come close to funding the building and maintenance of our sprawling road network. This has been documented ad infinitum: roads, and by extension automobility, is subsidized by general tax revenue.
For f_ck sakes even the most cursory investigation of the issue yields that truth. A simple Google search of "subsidy" yielded this from Wikipedia: "..In most countries, consumption of education, health care, and infrastructure (such as roads) are heavily subsidized, and in many cases provided free of charge..."
There are already too many books, studies and, more informally, blogs and internet articles on the topic. Start reading because rooting your contention in ignorance doesn't make for a convincing argument. Make an effort.
Who then gains by the extensive allocation of public monies for a massive automobile infrastructure? The answer is simple: those who use it most -- motorists of course. The cyclist or pedestrian pedalling and walking to work subsidizes the commuter driving in from Aurora, Oshawa or Brampton.
So, "in a very real sense", as a cyclist, I over pay for and own something I little, and often by law cannot, avail myself of. In a very real sense the likes of me (who don't own a car) can be said to be bearing a greater cost for the likes of you stuck in traffic on the DVP. Sucks, don't it? Now how do you think I, as a taxpayer, feel about someone such as yourself basically saying that you pay for and therefore own the roads?
From Economics 101 to Introductory Psych. Besides fostering a circular clusterf_ck of more demand for more roads leading to more congestion and more demand, what happens when a massive automobile infrastructure is made available for free or at a heavily discounted (subsidized) rate? For one it encourages a "sense of reckless entitlement" -- not among cyclists -- but among motorists in the belief that the unimpeded operation of their vehicles, that is, the practice of driving and parking amok, is akin to a Gawd given right and that roads are the exclusive preserve of cars. It ain't and they aren't.
Since you're a capitalist you're partial to a private market driven approach for determining a rational cost and pricing scheme concerning roads and their users. And since you're an environmentalist you no doubt believe that the scheme should account for externalities presently passed off to the rest, real costs such as pollution, congestion, and a degraded urban landscape. I applaud and wholeheartedly support you in implementing such a design. It is only then that you'll discover who really is getting a free ride. And I got news for you, it ain't cyclists.
Tom Flaherty
Objection Buffet
Mon, 05/18/2009 - 19:43Wow! There so much to feast on here it's hard to know where to start, hmm....let's see....
appetizer
"Toronto cyclists, for the most part are a menace, and the bike lanes only encourage their hooliganist attitudes"
The majority of cyclists I encounter are law abiding, non-speeding and careful. Remember that the consequences of a collision are exponentially more detrimental for a cyclist than a driver. Cycling infrastructure, such as bike lanes, dedicates space for cyclists so they do not need to share the road with cars. The exception, is of course that intersections are places where vehicles cross and converge with each other, so being less visible and less protected, a cyclist naturally takes to passing on the left of a right turning car - sorry if it causes you so much hardship, but it is a safe and endorsed way to deal with the situation. I'm also surprised that you use the term "menace" to describe cyclists, when automobiles are the ones killing thousands of people due to accidents and air pollution.
entree
"Canada has the world's 2nd largest land mass & the largest person per land ratio"
So what? Nobody is asking you to bike to Halifax, but I know people who drive less that 2km to work. We are slaves to the perceived conveniences that cars provide. I'm assuming that if you bike on weekends you would also be able to run errands and make short trips during the week - do you?
dessert
"My taxes on gasoline pay for those roads, if you ride a bike, you don't pay for the taxes to build the roads, so in a very real sense, I own those roads, not you."
Yikes - where to apply the ignorant asshole label?
Every single tax payer pays for our roads and highways, not just drivers. Cyclists are excluded by law, from using highways, and most avoid using roadways that exceed 50 kmh. So in short, it is cyclists that can NOT use the roads that they pay for. Furthermore, did you know that a bicycle has the legal right to occupy an entire road lane? It is partly out of consideration for fellow road users that most travel by the road side.
Take away all the bike lanes? - that's fine with me, as long as the speed limit is reduced to 30 kmh and cycling is embraced and respected instead of being ostracized by people like you.
doggy bag
'I am a environmentalist"
It is SO politically correct and savvy to adopt the environmentalist stance, but you sort of have to know what you’re talking about. If you are still in school maybe you should consider taking a minor in environmental studies.
Darren_S
Thank you for your endorsement of cyclists.
Mon, 05/18/2009 - 09:05Think that is pretty good. Maybe you should take a close hard look at your fellow drivers. They manage to kill themselves or someone else at an average of one about every seven to ten days. A street racing charge is laid in Toronto every one to three days.
As per your gas tax comment. Only 2.5%, according to the CAA, of the gas tax is used for maintaining our roads. The rest is paid through property taxes. Every item you buy, either as a cyclist or driver has a gas tax. It makes up the transportation portion part of getting the goods to the store.
Did you know that every citizen of Ontario pays around $1000. each just to keep bad drivers, not ones who drive sanely, on the road?
Your troubles are much worse than the odd bad cyclist.