Today at the Public Works and Infrastructure meeting is a request by the chair, Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong to have staff report on the proposed downtown cycle track network for the June meeting. This is basically a repeat of the request from last August, but suggests that DMW is still serious about the network.
Note the letter by Councillor Vaughan in the background file. In March 2010, Vaughan supported the proposal that City staff study the feasibility of creating cycle tracks / separated bike lanes on St. George / Beverley. Perhaps Vaughan would still be open to cycle tracks though his more recent negative comments make it harder to know where he stands.
The agenda item:
Downtown Bicycle Lane Network - Request for a Report
Origin
(April 10, 2011) Letter from Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong, Chair of the Public Works and Infrastructure CommitteeSummary
Forwarding communications on the Downtown Bicycle Lane Network and requesting the General Manager, Transportation Services, to submit a report to the June 23, 2011 meeting of the Public Works and Infrastructure Committee.Background Information
(April 10, 2011) Letter from Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong, Chair, Public Works and Infrastructure Committee on Downtown Bicycle Lane Network - Request for Report
(http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2011/pw/bgrd/backgroundfile-37484.pdf)
Comments
Ben
Has there been any news about
Tue, 04/26/2011 - 11:50Has there been any news about extending the west toronto railpath south? Even if there were a discontinuity between College and Lansdowne, it would still be a great thing.
hamish (not verified)
I've been increasingly
Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:18I've been increasingly distrustful and less supportive of what's being proposed here, and also getting critical of the CU for its naivete in being overly cheerleading this along.
Maybe I'm a bit too cynical/jaded etc. but can we really trust those who are proposing to cut out a full 21 Citizen's Advisory Committees, and Mr. Ford, when Councillor, did try to cut out all the funding for bike lanes at least twice. So, sure. where's the harm in a study, and then the study comes in, and there's little way to get it put into context of the Bike Plan, the lack of connectivity and horrible road conditions, and now it's likely called the Ford Bike Plan - and will it be a gold-plated to build mini-network that will drain the bike budget. And then, we won't have the $ to keep it cleared well enough in winter, so they won't be well used, and then since they're empty, it'll be such a waste, and gee, time to rip them out for motorists again.
While Richmond/Adelaide is extremely overdue for a bike facility, and could well have the good width needed for a physically separated lane, and it would be helpful to have in the core, the rest of what's proposed for consideration really isn't all that broken, with the exception of Sherbourne - It truly needs repaving, and TCAC has supported doing something different there.
The CIty and the CU must look at where the gaps in our network are, where cyclists are getting hurt, and that tends to be in the east-west directions in the core. So why don't we do the bit of Bloor St. between Sherbourne and Church that is in the Bike Plan, or a longer bit of Bloor in the west end from Dundas St. W. over to Ossington; and urgently, for this year!!!
In my deputing, I was asking where the frack was the Bloor St. EA - that will be discussed at the June 23-sh meeting - and maybe they will try to kill it off then, despite the 5800 signatures on that petition in support of it.
I also tried to nudge the PWIC to support having a TCAC again - do get in touch with your local Councillor in the hope that Council will outvote the Execute Cttee, as per Monday's Star editorial urging that. And consider being suspicious about what actually might happen. Sure, honi soit y mal y pense - but look at what's been happening with the sensible Transit City!
hamish (not verified)
This is what the PWIC
Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:36This is what the PWIC approved, and it may go well beyond what's been talked of...
The Public Works and Infrastructure Committee referred Item PW3.15 to the Acting General Manager, Transportation Services, for a report to the June 23, 2011, meeting of the Public Works and Infastructure Committee on the following:
4. any other outstanding matters relating to bike lanes.
Apologies for 2nd posting of comments - things didn't seem to register - and I guess I have bad habits of repeating myself eg. Bloor bike lanes....
With 1. above "the Mayor's Bike Plan" - in talking a bit with Doug Ford, and listening elsewhere, the push will likely be for paths in parks etc. This is wrong for many of us, as the parks can be especially dangerous and unuseable for women - thinking of Arlene Woods I think the name was in Ottawa a few years ago, though at other times off-road is heaven.
With 3. - Bloor/Danforth EA - it's been over a year since the RFP was out, atop four or five years of delay in studying it previously, so where the frack is it? Increasingly, it needs to be sold as a way of expanding the crowded Bloor/Danforth subway for essentially free. Please start talking to transit users and/or thinking about this aspect of it yourselves.
Antony (not verified)
My contacts with residents'
Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:38My contacts with residents' associations (specifically Harbord Village) is that cycle paths through parks are going over like a lead balloon.
I too would caution the TCU to tread lightly on this and not get themselves too associated with the project.
Kevin (not verified)
Hamish, Rob Ford's bike plan
Sun, 05/01/2011 - 06:42Hamish,
Rob Ford's bike plan may be found here:
http://www.robfordformayor.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Transportation-...
I draw your attention to the map on page 5.
Some of it makes sense. For example, eliminating the completely stupid and insane 3 km gap along Eglinton between the Richview Bicycle Path and the Kay Gardiner Beltline Trail, connecting the Beltline with a bridge across the Allan Expressway and paving the unpaved parts of the Beltline. This creates a continuous high-quality off-road path parallel to Eglinton all the way from Hwy 427 to Yonge Street.
Closing the equally stupid and insane gaps in the Finch Hydro Corridor path also makes sense to create a continuous path across the top of Toronto.
Completing the West Toronto Railpath also makes sense.
Closing the gaps in the Lakeshore Trail also makes sense.
The Ford plan creates several excellent East-West paths across Toronto by eliminating gaps and connecting existing paths. The major weakness of the Ford plan is that it results in essentially zero North-South routes. The Don Valley recreational trail is completely unsuitable for transportation use, for reasons that I have previously written about.
Kevin Love
Ed
Closing the gaps in the
Mon, 05/02/2011 - 11:00You can't tell from the detail in that map, but I suspect it does nothing for the waterfront trail in south Etobicoke. Back around the election, someone posted a more detailed map which I can't be bothered to find. The current on-road sections of Bicycle Route 2 were nicely reproduced on the map as is. Not much of an improvement there.
Just like the separated bicycle lanes, until the detailed design and timeline for installation is established, it's no less vapourware than the bike lanes that were going to be added in 2008 or 2009.
Actually, wasn't it (a) Ford who said that Finch would have a subway by tomorrow next week or something? And that the waterfront would have an NFL stadium and a monorail, no cost to the city? And that the Sheppard subway could be extended in jig time?
Ford(s) have done very well throwing out initiatives of the Miller years, and also good at making promises for all sorts of things that are simply not possible in a non-fairy-tale world. So why should I believe any of these plans? Furthermore, I can't but be suspicious of concommittant decrees, such as "now that there's a bicycle path in this here vallley, we don't want you riding on the streets in the area, blocking traffic". We know that Ford(s) hate traffic--i.e. cars and trucks--being blocked by anything.
David Juliusson (not verified)
The Mimico 20 project will
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 07:54The Mimico 20 project will close one of the largest gaps on the Toronto waterfront. It is due to begin shortly and will be completed in the summer of 2012. Once finished it will be possible to go from downown all the way to Norris in Mimico. If the city follows through on the Lakeshore bike lane from Norris to First as written in the Bike Plan, the entire western gap of the Waterfront Trail will be closed.
Closing the gap makes sense. The money is in place as is the political will. Councillor Grimes likes off road bike routes and is fully supportive of the Mimico 20 project. It is achievable.
hamish (not verified)
Thanks for the link,
Sun, 05/01/2011 - 17:08Thanks for the link, Kevin.
But it looks like a way to gut the existing tepid and delayed Bike Plan, and avoid doing a thing in areas where we have heavier bike traffic and proven sets of harms where we now bike in good numbers, and pushing forward off-road trails that aren't as safe, nor necessarily as direct, and it could well totally drain ALL the bike budget with a "bike" project vs. repainting a street, like Bloor, for merely $25,000 a km. So $200,000 would have done Bloor St. from High Park to Sherbourne,
And I think it's quite worthwhile to be beyond-skeptical about the merits of draining budgets with off-road trails and bridges vs. on-road improvements, and putting all the money into one or two salient but costly projects, and gee, it'll all be too expensive to do with the money crunches since we're giving money back to the motorists right?
So try and find a transit planner that thinks what Mr. Ford is doing/has done to Transit City will truly help us, and then maybe I could start thinking more positively about what Mr. Ford's Bike Scheme entails for cyclists.
Kevin (not verified)
Hamish, I am certainly not
Sun, 05/01/2011 - 21:20Hamish,
I am certainly not endorsing the Ford plan! I merely observe that some of it makes sense. Completing the gaps along Eglinton, etc, are sensible things to do.
Can you imagine if the existing Hwy 401 across Ontario was built as it is now, except with a gap between Pickering and Port Hope? And politicians refused to fill in the gap, saying "nobody uses the 401 on either side of the gap, so why complete it?"
That is precisely the situation that we are in along Eglinton and many other places that Rob Ford (more likely, someone working for him) has quite correctly identified.
I also agree with you that we desperately need a proper Dutch-style seperated cycle path along Bloor. And also along Yonge Street. The Yonge subway is seriously overcrowded during peak hours. We badly need a proper Dutch-style Yonge cycle path to to take the excess passengers off the Yonge subway.
With, of course, intersection protections that look like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlApbxLz6pA&feature=player_embedded
Kevin Love
Ed
If Ford got his bicycle plan
Thu, 05/05/2011 - 10:49If Ford got his bicycle plan from the "Get Toronto Moving" bunch, well they think that there is already a bicycle trail along the western lakeshore. They don't know about any gap.
Here's their bicycle plan. It looks pretty much like Ford's 'plan', no?
Detailed map is here. And it shows an existing lakefront trail all the way from Mimico Creek to Royal York Rd.
So I am very, very careful in looking at any 'bicycle plan' put forward by Ford, because I doubt he has bicycled all over the city, and the folks who seem to supply him with his policy ideas are clueless and their notions have not gone through any kind of fact-checking.
After all, there's no gap on the map, so what are cyclists complaining about? Oh, there's a gap, and it would cost money to fix this....hmm....well....fuhgeddboudit....