On November 22nd, Dave Meslin of the Toronto Cyclists Union and Bonnie of the Vancouver Area Cycling Coalition appeared on CBC Radio's The Current. You can hear the interview here: http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/current_20071122_3968.mp3. As is typical of media, the focus was on the road rage incident of the motorist recently attacked by cyclist with a screwdriver. They also fielded their opinions on the idea that cyclists should be licensed.
The CBC Radio file on "Bicycles versus Cars" is an 11 MB download in MP3 format and runs 23:46.
"In the average big city, cyclists and drivers have trouble getting along. The Current takes a look at efforts to improve that relationship."
There were some good responses. Dave mentioned that to focus on the cyclist aspect of the attacker is akin to focusing on shortness as a factor in being aggressive. There's no reason to think cyclists are inherently aggressive.
Likewise, the notion that licensing cyclists will "solve" these problems is short-sighted and ignorant. It would require new cyclists to go out and get a license before stepping on a bike and would possibly prohibit children from riding their bikes.
Comments
Darren_S
Licenses
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 15:44I just love the irony in the talk of licensing cyclists. They want to take the poor model they use for motor vehicles and apply it to cyclists.
R.T. (not verified)
Because driver licensing
Fri, 11/30/2007 - 16:04Because driver licensing stopped road rage in its tracks, right?
The EnigManiac
Licenses Won't Achieve Equality
Sat, 12/01/2007 - 12:01Let's be honest. The real reason many motorists---most of whom haven't ridden a bike since they were ten if ever at all---want cyclists to have licenses has nothing to do with safety, as they claim, but because they resent that cyclists don't incur the same cost and hassle as they do, that they are seemingly unidentifiable and invisible and, therefore, immune to penalization or prosecution. And they have a point.
They often conveniently forget, however, that the vast majority of adult cyclists do possess a drivers' license, even if they don't currently own a car or choose to ride their bikes as their primary mode of transportation, that they have been just as well trained (for whatever that's worth) as motorists and that they know the HTA and take liberties with the rules just as motorists do.
What those complaining motorists fail to take into account is the tremendous number of traffic infractions commited all around them every day by fellow motorists and the potention for calamity they impose on others. While they may honk their horns and curse at them, they don't deny the offending motorist the 'right' to be on the road, because---gosh darn it---the motorist has a license plate. But, let them see one cyclist cruise through a stop sign on a quiet, one-way residential downtown street (that three cars just recently rolled through as well) and they act as if the cyclist has commited the most heinous crime in the world and deserves to be run over.
They also forget the outrageous carnage that motor vehicles inflict upon the roads every day: the hundreds of costly minor acidents, the devastating serious accidents, the mind-boggling property damage and the tragic deaths and crippling injuries they inflict. They fail to consider that cyclists do not contribute to that destruction. They assume that cyclists cause most accidents they are involved in or provoke cars into hitting one another rying to avoid an errant cyclist when the actual percentage of cyclists being 'at fault' in collisions is only about 15% according to most studies and that, if asked to honestly recall one incident where cars collided because of the actions of a wayward cyclist, 99% of motorists couldn't. Their hostility and resentment is misplaced, as a result.
Those motorists---and I don't mean to imply ALL motorists, just the ones who call for cyclists to be licensed---assume that cyclists ride through red lights and stop signs because they don't know any better or don't respect the law. We all know that's hog-wash. Cyclists who do run reds generally do not ride through a busy intersection, but quiet ones with little or no crossing traffic, and they do it so they don't have to lose momentum. It's not a conscious flouting of the law. It's simply that it doesn't make sense to come to a halt for no reason. The motorist has been psychologically conditioned to stop---and even cyclists who are driving will stop at that desolate red light whereas they might have ridden through had they been on their bike.
The problem is not with the cyclists but the fact that police rarely cite cyclists for these infractions and they rarely cite offending cyclists for several reasons: the cyclist posed little or no danger to other traffic or pedestrians, the cyclist may or may not have a license and obtaining a conviction may be a time-consuming and, ultimately, pointless ordeal. After all, even if a cyclist lost his or her drivers license, the cyclist cannot be banned from riding a bike. Maybe if the cyclist had to possess a 'bike license,' it would be possible to have them banned, but since they don't, the cops won't even bother with the incident. It's simply not worth the time and effort. The greater problem is that the police also ignore motorists who openly endanger cyclists, as if that is a fair trade-off for not being cited when they commit a traffic offence, that cyclists deaths and serious injury are not as important or serious as motorist deaths and injuries. It's like they're saying 'hey, we'll let you get away with almost everything, but don't expect our protection when something bad happens.'
Many motorists assumptions about cyclists are, as we all know, way off-base and their attitude is frequently childish, at best. We all know they are thinking 'well, how come I can't just drive through that intersection if he's allowed to?' 'How come he doesn't have to pay for a license every year like I do?' As if a license suggests motorists actually know the rules of the road, when it is clear to everyone that they often don't. We only need to point out one thing to illustrate how ridiculous that attitude is: the fact there are three seasons, so far, of 'Canada's Worst Driver' on television and the fact that every one of the candidates passed their drivers license exam! Most of those drivers in that program couldn't tell you, beyond the absolute basics, how to safely execute proper turns or reverse or park, when to use their signals, what half the features in their car are supposed to be used for or what the signs on the road and other markings actually mean.
Motorists need to stop and think about their objections rationally and logically. They need to see that the danger to other uses of the road posed by a cyclist are negligible in comparison with theirs, that cyclists are rarely at fault in collisions in spite of frequently bending or breaking a few rules here and there---just as they do, that driver error is such a serious problem that extraordinary measures like red-light cameras have been invented to curb their bad driving habits, not cyclists, that motorists commit far more and far more serious traffic infractions than cyclists and that motorists---not cyclists---wreak death and carnage upon the roads.
I say that if cyclists are required to earn licenses, then cyclists should succesfully demand that motor vehicles be mechanically, electronically or otherwise prevented from exceeding speed limits on urban roads, that stop signs officially be regarded as 'Yields' for cyclists, that the police take a much more proactive stance in citing motorists for endangering cyclists and that ALL incidents involving cyclists and motorists be given the same attention and importance as car on car incidents.
Aidan
total agreement
Sat, 12/01/2007 - 15:21I agree in every particular with 'The EnigManiac'. Now how can we get that message out there with consistency from cyclists? What is the stance of 'The Cycling Union' going to be? Time to stop screwing around with playing nice. Just how many km of bike lanes, and enforcement against bad driving, has that got us?
Anonymous (not verified)
I really don't see the issue
Sun, 12/02/2007 - 00:06I really don't see the issue with licensing bikes; these licenses could be close to free and have the same benefits. This wouldn't make a difference for the vast majority of cyclists, but it would (to some degree) lessen the amount of cyclists who treat stop signs as though they have right of way, and who do similar infractions. After all, as mentioned earlier, there is no point in stopping them as they can't really be caught. I'm not a driver, and don't support licenses on any basis of cost or hassle.
Svend
Don't worry about licenses.
Sun, 12/02/2007 - 07:32There isn't a call to license bikes, just because a couple of people raise the possibility doesn't mean anything. In general, people don't want to discourage bike use and a license would be another barrier.
The cops aren't asking for them either, I appreciate how they overlook most bike infractions like having lights and a bell or running stop signs.
cyclistpaul
Bike Licenses
Sun, 12/02/2007 - 07:30I'm with you on this one, Enig. I am law abiding when I ride, to a point, and I take steps because of this. I generally ride on main arterial roads so that I am not tempted to blow through stop signs. At the same time, some times lights are actually green when one arrives at the intersection, as opposed to slowing down, stopping, getting going again several times between major intersections because of the poliferation of stop signs instigated by residences who don't want high vehicular traffic through their residential neighbourhood (and then that road is designated a bike route, sigh). But I digress. The police are too busy to come to every cyclist/car mishap in which there is no injury - believe me, I have waited many times for extended periods at auto accidents with patients who want to talk to the police before I take them to the hospital. And more police means a lot more money - just ask the mayor. So it doesn't matter what laws they pass to protect cyclists, it is still up to us to fend for ourselves, and not do something really stupid and dangerous. And the real danger in this licensing process? Where will they stop? Mandatory helmets for adults? And what will they do about it? I don't have a bell on any of my three bikes - no room on the handlebars with lights and computers. But no police officer has ever questioned this, and I get a better workout yelling at the person than tinging my cute little bell, that the idiot can't hear because the ipod is turned up to full volume.
And if you think that licenses will be cheap in Toronto, look out! If he wants to tax water, he'll nail ANY licenses that he can control.
Glad to live in Mississauga, Paul
bill (not verified)
nice comment EnigManiac
Sun, 12/02/2007 - 12:46Your post sums up everything I was thinking and more..just save it in word and post it every couple months this comes up.
Anonymous (not verified)
I'm a motorist (1st) and a
Mon, 12/03/2007 - 14:45I'm a motorist (1st) and a cyclist (2nd). I think that bicycles are a valid solution to the environmental problems posed by cars BUT the problem is differences in speed capability, plain and simple. Even if cars were prevented from exceeding speed limits of 50km/h, 60km/h, etc. an average cyclist only does about 25km/h. Forget about maniac impatient drivers. I think the most dangerous situations occur when a motorist is suddenly confronted with a low-profile vehicle that is travelling at half the ambient speed. Mixing vehicles with vastly different capabilities is just a bad idea. It still happens even when a motorist is driving very conservatively. The most extreme example of this that I have seen occurs on the trans-canada highway. In sections of northern ontario with two lanes of opposing traffic, sharp corners, and no paved shoulders, motorists often encounter cyclists riding on the highway where the speed limit is 90km/h. If you come around a corner and there's a cyclist in your lane and a transport in the opposite lane...well, everybody feels a sense of impending doom. Just because the highway traffic act says that a bicycle is a vehicle is no justification to do ridiculous things.
Aidan
even stationary
Mon, 12/03/2007 - 15:10Hey "motorist (1st)", that's just daft. In your car, the responibility is yours not to hit things, even stationary objects like trees, or traffic islands which are in the road. You are even responsible to anticipate, and not to hit, children who may run into the road: ANYWHERE! If you can't handle it, for everyone's sake, please give up driving - even the bicycle.
The EnigManiac
Waste of Time
Sun, 12/02/2007 - 13:05Ultimately, the points I was making is that licensing of cyclists would be a futile exercise. Since many, if not most, adult cyclists are already license holders, they run the risk of losing their driving PRIVELEGE if they are convicted of traffic infractions commited while riding their bike. Doubly licensing them is both unnecessary and redundant. Licensing of motorists has not made motorists any more educated or safer operators of their vehicles. Most motorists haven't picked up a driver's handbook since they were 16 and the few rules of the road they abide by are usually way out-dated. The risk of losing their driving privelege has not seemed to discourage motorists from driving well in excess of safe and legal speed limits, running red lights or making improper and unsafe lane changes, turns and other maneuvers. Whether cyclists are licensed or not, they---like motorists---will continue to take calculated risks, will continue to bend the rules in their favour and try to get away with whatever they can, just as motorists do.
If motorists trul want safer roads, they must look at themselves first, rather than point the finger at non-lethal users of the road---they are the killers on the road, after all, not cyclists or pedestrians. Education is the answer and if it has to be mandatory, then so be it. Have motorists pass a brief exam EVERY time they renew their license to ensure they are updated on current laws and safe operating recommendations.
Darren_S
No loss license
Sun, 12/02/2007 - 14:23It is very hard, pretty close to impossible, to lose your license because of a HTA infraction committed with a bicycle. You will still face fines under the HTA whether or not you have a license. You can get charged with HTA offences as a pedestrian. You cannot collect demerit points while riding a bike. The only way to lose your license is to accumulate a certain number of demerit points(while operating a motor vehicle) or have it taken for certain offences under the HTA/ criminal code. The most common are careless driving and impaired driving. While riding a bicycle you can get charged with careless driving which allows license suspension as a penalty. The reality of which remains in the abstract, which means you would have to do something really really stupid and unique to lose it.... like ride over cars stuck in traffic. It is pretty hard period to lose your license for careless driving even if you kill someone.
The only way to lose your driver's license for a HTA offence while riding a bike is that you did not pay your fine, even this questionable.
You are liable for any civil judgment against you. You damage someone's property and you are liable. If you do not have insurance it comes out of your own pocket.
Mark Evans (not verified)
What Bikers Need to Do
Mon, 12/03/2007 - 16:18As a year-round biker, I can understand the growing friction between drivers and bicyclists. I think part of the problem is too many bikers are behaving irresponsibly by driving up one-way streets the wrong way, going through red lights, and not having the right gear at night (no lights, reflective clothing, etc.). This just gets car drivers even more pissed off.
Aidan
Cyclists don't 'need' to do ^%$*
Mon, 12/03/2007 - 17:21I wear a helmet, a yellow reflective sash, have two lights front and two rear. I signal my left turns (but only those, as drivers might understand that one signal). I stop at red lights and slow down at stop signs. I always yield to pedestrians. I don't care about the law, as it is unenforced on the roads, and I don't care about civility (to drivers) as I just want to stay alive.
I don't 'need' to do any of this, but I do, because I know drivers can't be trusted to their duty of care, and because I have a duty of care to pedestrians,and other cyclists (not sure about roller-bladers) because I could hurt them. In my opinion, apart from menace to pedestrians and cyclists, cyclists may ride any damn way they please: they are only going to hurt themselves. I am also against adult helmet laws, even though I always wear mine, and won't ride with anyone who doesn't. It isn't the role of the state to protect cyclists from themselves. If a cyclists whacks into your car, or more likely you have whacked into him, I'm not going to be too concerned about your paint job.
Who the hell cares what a driver thinks of cycling? We are of no danger to you! I'm a cyclist worried about my safety; you're a driver worried about your convenience. I'm a cyclist out in all weathers; you're a driver in a bubble. To put it more simply: %$#@ *&^! I want the law to make you care, so that you give me the room the law says is mine.
Michael (not verified)
I'm pretty sure, cyclists DO
Mon, 12/03/2007 - 17:32I'm pretty sure, cyclists DO need to do $#I+. They need to be respectful of the rules of the road, just like they expect motorists to be.
I am a cyclist first, and a motorist a distant 2nd, but it drives me crazy to see how most cyclists in this city operate with little regard for anyone else on the road.
The worst part is, as those cyclists piss off drivers, those drivers take it out on cyclists like myself. So, yes, I do care about what motorists think, because I want them to drive by me carefully, instead of in a puff of rage.
Darren_S
Doing $#I+
Mon, 12/03/2007 - 18:10Sometimes the rules of the road are one's "understanding" of the rules. I think everyone has experienced a driver yelling at them to get off of the road because it is against the law. Yet we all know that we are supposed to be on the road. I think someone posted awhile back their grandmother's view that if a cyclist is doing something illegal it is legal to hit the cyclist with their car. She was convinced that is what they told her when she got her license. Her belief is sadly not unique, probably more commonplace than even most cyclists want to believe.
I have listened to many drivers tell tales of cyclists illegal actions while the reality being that the cyclist's actions described were in compliance with the "rules". There is some inverse of that going on too. How much value can you put into those complaints by motorists if their understanding is flawed or are just complaining cause they dislike cyclists to begin with.
At the end of the day the only clear facts you are left with is harm. How many people were harmed by cars versus cyclists for that day. Probably looking at that quality of harm too would be relevant.
Michael (not verified)
Running red lights and stop
Mon, 12/03/2007 - 20:04Running red lights and stop signs isn't open to interpretation
Darren_S
Stop sign interpretation
Mon, 12/03/2007 - 22:43I did a quick check. There are some 1200 interpretations of stop signs in Canada. The issues they are raise are positioning, where to stop, when to stop, etc. etc. The number may include duplicates as issues go through appeals.
In cases where children are involved drivers could still be held liable if they hit a child who runs a stop sign.
Red light stats are harder to figure out because they are referenced for different issues. eg red light on traffic signal vs. red light as in a brake light.
While the above is probably being very nit picky running red lights are very sensitive. There are many intersections in Toronto where the timing lights do not take into account the speeds at which cyclists cross intersections. This is especially true with intersections that have small jogs in them. I got called as a witness where one cyclist entered on green and exited on red and got a ticket. It was on Yonge St, thinking at Dundonald or Gloucester. The prosecutor dropped the charged.
The EnigManiac
Irrational Hostility
Mon, 12/03/2007 - 21:02I have always found it curious that motorists get all bent out of shape over what cyclists do or don't do when it has no effect on the motorist whatsoever. For instance, if a motorist is stopped at a quiet, low traffic red light like there are on Harbord St. and a cyclist in the bike lane cruises through the red at 10km/h, how does that affect the driver in any way? It's not as if the driver was forced to take evasive action or slam on his brakes or anything. But they get rip-snortin' mad about it anyway. So while I understand that motorists get pi**ed-off when cyclists do something illegal, it is irrational and misplaced. What they're really steamed about is the fact that the cyclist will likely never get caught nor have his right to ride threatened. Do they get just as peeved when a motor vehicle fails to signal a lane change or turn, when a motorist races through a light a few seconds after it turned red? Only if it inconveniences or frightens them. The cyclist posed no danger whatsoever to the motorist when he did something illegal, but the offending motorist did pose a risk, yet the affected innocent motorist still becomes incensed when a cyclist commits an illegal act. Very puzzling.
As for travelling the wrong way on a one way street, the police have even advised me they will likely never ticket a cyclist for that infraction. Many streets have clear signage allowing bicycles to enter one-way streets in the wrong direction and the police don't mind if all one way streets are treated similarly.
I interviewed the Media constable for traffic services today and he provided me with some interesting stats. There are approximately 28,600 instances of cars going through reds every year in Toronto, based upon citations issued in a sample week from March 19-25 this year. So far in 2007, just over 61,000 tickets have been issued to motorists whereas only 2,500 have been issued to cyclists and over 3,000 have been given to pedestrians. In a 5 day blitz last winter, 7,000 tickets were issued to motorists, 148 to pedestrians and 55 to cyclists---mostly couriers. I recall that week however and remember it was icy and cold. Very few cyclists would have been out. Curiously, in a one-week 'Safe Cycling' blitz in June, 1001 cyclists were issued tickets and almost 5,000 motorists were cited. Most recently, in mid-November, 867 cyclists received tickets: 127 sidewalk riding offences, 28 riding double infractions, 328 stop sign violations, 305 red light offences, 28 careless driving charges and 51 unsafe lane changes. Clearly, most of the year-to-date citations for cyclists were issued during blitzes as opposed to every day events.
Considering that there are only 3 cyclists deaths this year, but 14 driver and 8 passenger deaths as well as 19 pedestrian fatalities, perhaps it's occupants of cars and pedestrians who should be made to wear helmets.
According to the 2003 report, of the 1014 reported incidents involving cars and bikes, only 51 were serious with one resulting in a fatality. All others experienced minor or minimal injuries. Of the 51 serious injuries, however, more than half of the cyclists were not wearing helmets and they did sustain head injuries. Not surprisingly, almost 90% of the incidents were the fault of the motorist.
Aidan
drivers are already in the wrong
Mon, 12/03/2007 - 22:39If you are a driver, you are already in the wrong. Sounds extreme, but 'car-head' is far more extreme.
Your vehicle is loud, dirty, a sad symbol of status, a leading cause of particulate matter, smog and global warming, physical trauma and death, the reason we pour excess salt into the environment, destroyer of walkable communities, facilitator of big box stores, reason states murder people in Iraq and elsewhere, contributing cause of diabetes, asthma and other cardio-vascular conditions, and a strain on people's incomes.
No one can intelligently deny any of these points.
We should be handing out bicycles to everyone!
The EnigManiac
It's Human Nature
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 01:54Let's put things in perspective, shall we.
Cyclists run red lights and stop signs because they can. It's a liberty many cyclists take at low-risk intersections and few, if any, collisions ever actually occur. According to the numbers, 60% of the tickets issued to cyclists are for running red lights or stop signs, but most of the tickets were issued during police 'operations'---programs that are designed to target specific conditions. Of the 2,581 citations issued this year, more than 2100 were issued in two separate one week periods.
Motorists, for all their whining and complaining about what cyclists do, rather conveniently forget all the laws they routinely break. Of the 61,280 tickets issued to date, a large portion are for speeding---and considering that recent studies have shown that 70% of motorists admit to speeding, that is no surprise. Motorists actually run reds and stop signs more often than cyclists---and curiously, they do so at high-risk intersections---but the percentage of motorists who commit such infractions is much less than cyclists.
Do we, as cyclists or motorists, really actually expect everyone to obey all the rules all the time? We don't obey the rules ourselves. How can we expect others to? If we want to whine and complain about anything, whine and complain that the police don't enforce the rules enough, not the rule breakers.
Some of the comments in this thread are laughable when they suggest cyclists should blindly obey all the laws that govern the road as if they pose a real danger when they don't. Constable Roberts mentioned during the interview I had with him today that he had never heard of a cyclist being in a collision when they ran a red. What does that tell you? The same cannot be said for motorists when they do it more than 25,000 a year compared to the estimated 10,000 times that cyclists run reds per year. Bad things happen when cars do it.
Ultimately, motorists breach what rules and regulations they feel they can get away with and so do cyclists. It's human nature. Since there's only a 6% chance of being caught for motorists and a 3% chance for cyclists, it's a calculated risk. Unfortunately, when motorists make bad decisions, people get seriously hurt or they're dead.
Darren_S
Math problem
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 09:02Even that number is on the low side. There appears to be 1800 signalized intersections in Toronto, doing the math on the low side and that works out to red lights being run 47 million times a year.
Tone (not verified)
People don't have skills
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 11:33My observation as a cyclist, driver (and even pedestrian) in Toronto is that many, many people in the city have substandard skills when it comes to moving themselves around!
It's not so much a war between drivers and cyclists -- the same driver that nearly cuts me off on my ride home from work is just as likely to cut off another motorist. Or nearly run over a pedestrian. Often, is seems, while gabbing on a cell phone.
And, holy cow, pedestrians downtown seem to have difficulty with the fairly simple concept of crossing a busy street. If the sign says "don't walk", it means "don't walk". People crossing against the light on a left turn signal back up turning traffic, which makes it difficult for everyone else crossing the intersection (even cyclists as the left lane backs up and car/truck traffic attempt to move over into the right lane to make it through the intersection).
I could rant on -- the fact is that if everyone was a bit more courteous and tried to work together to keep everything moving safely, all of us -- cyclists, peds and drivers would get where they need to go with a lot less stress.
Somehow, I don't think that's going to happen. So, I ride, drive and walk assuming that everyone else around me is about to do something either stupid or lethal -- seems to work for me!
Darren_S
Cyclist shot
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 13:54Very little being said about the cyclists who was shot by a driver in the Dundas and River St area on Sunday. The cops or media have not expanded on the story.
http://www.thestar.com/article/281899
Aidan
Cyclist shot: driver stabbed
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 14:09Of course there is no causal connection between those two recent events, but there is a social connection: it was widely implied that the person who stabbed represented cycling society (mistakenly labelled a messenger), while the person who shot is not made to represent drivers. Bloody typical.
It's about time we got a great deal more militant. We aren't going to change minds, and we aren't going to get what we want, apparently, by playing nice. It's time we just took it.
Darren_S
A exact shot
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 15:19You nailed it Aidan.
History is full of these social connections and sometimes in a much more sinister way. You just have to look at the history for any black North American as an example. If their experience, which is a million times worse than exists for cycling, is any indication we are in for a long hard fight.
Aidan
You've nailed it too, 'Darren_S'
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 15:37History is full of these social connections and sometimes in a much more sinister way. You just have to look at the history for any black North American as an example.
Or Canadian Native, for that matter. The only way to stop that thinking, is make people live that life. As a stupid suburban white kid, I thought Canada had "very little" racism. Funny how living in Asia for a few years made me see it is also pervasive in Canada. I had to be a (white) minority in Asia to get some understanding of what some Canadian minorities put up with. Japanese drivers show much better understanding of cyclists' needs, because a majority of them cycle on short errands. It is the same issue: empathy. My solution to the lack of driver empathy is to make drivers cycle more, because there lies the root of the cycle-culture differences in Japan, Holland and Denmark.
In Japan, Denmark and Holland, people are 'made' to cycle, because various driving costs are more expensive than here, and in Japan at least, driving is often the slowest way to get anywhere. Here more than there, we need to approach the average driver in his reptilian brain: make an on-road cycling test part of the driver's test perhaps. A test which should be repeated every five years, I'd say. How about a CAN Bike course (for the cops, too)? Exceptions made for relevant disabilities. There's precious few other ways we'd know a driver got on a bike. Other suggestions?
The EnigManiac
Oh, I'd love to see that
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 19:09Man, that would be the funniest show on television if they showed all the Beluga Whale sized people I see behind the wheel climb onto a bike and take a test before being allowed to renew their license. Better buy super ultra-reinforced bikes for those tests.