Toronto will soon have pedicabs providing rides around the downtown core. The cost? Other than an urge to drink lots of Lipton Green Tea, it's free!
The service will be provided by a company called Go Mobile Media, which, in case you hadn't figured it out, is an advertising company. The Ecocabs are already being used in New York and Dublin, among other cities.
The vehicles have an electric assist motor, which is limited at 12 km/h.
So, Toronto cyclists, what do you think about sharing the road with these vehicles?
Should these be classified as e-bikes? (We had a discussion about e-bikes last year). If they're e-bikes, does that mean the operator has to wear a helmet?
Is 12 km/h just too ridiculously slow?
Are you willing to live with the advertising for the benefit of more human powered transportation? After all, this isn't the first rolling billboard on our streets.
Photo credit Ashroc
Comments
vic
Peddle
Tue, 04/22/2008 - 08:45Nice choice of words for the title. These are indeed "peddle" cabs.
They would definitely be considered e-bikes, so the operator would be required to be at least 16 years old and wearing a helmet. More info at the MTO.
The electric assist motor may limit those things to 12km/h, but I bet you could pedal it up to a faster speed.
Martino (not verified)
Ad creep
Tue, 04/22/2008 - 10:34Smells like an ad creeper crawler in greenwashed clothing.
Ryan Marr (not verified)
I'm already sick of all the
Tue, 04/22/2008 - 11:33I'm already sick of all the slow cyclists out this spring. Sharing the roads with these beasts would be infuriating. I wish it was winter again to be honest.
Dr. Steph
Nice.
Tue, 04/22/2008 - 14:25To those already sick of slow cyclists:
Sorry we slow cyclists aren't fast enough for you.
Sorry we're not obsessed with being at the front of the line or being somewhere right. this. minute. (And yes, it bothers me too when someone who is slow goes to the front at a light and we all have to pass them, again).
Sorry we don't want to get all sweaty.
Sorry we might have kids we're teaching to bike safely.
Sorry we might want to just enjoy the ride and look at the scenery.
And have fun.
Martino (not verified)
Slow
Tue, 04/22/2008 - 16:21Well said Dr. Steph.
Ryan Marr (not verified)
I should revisit my initial
Thu, 04/24/2008 - 10:33I should revisit my initial response. My issue isn't with slow cyclists as much as it's an issue with a serious lack of infrastructure that accommodates people who wish to take their time and people who like to ride fast.
I agree with what someone mentioned earlier and really think it would be wonderful if there were multiple lanes for slow moving and faster moving human powered traffic.
If even one car lanes width was dedicated to human powered traffic I think that would be a really positive situation.
For now I'll ride in the road and wage my wars with drivers, not cyclists.
Darren_S
Does have a point
Thu, 04/24/2008 - 11:22Ryan does have a point. As more people turn to cycling, the more need there is for wider facilities. Remember, most bike lanes in Toronto were designed in the dark ages. They never took into account rising fuel costs or environmental awareness.
That said, cyclists tend to get along with each other much better than most drivers get along with one another.
Svend
If cabbies don't like 'em, I do!
Thu, 04/24/2008 - 11:42http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/417741
Part cab, part bike, all headache
City grapples with how to license hybrid vehicle
Apr 24, 2008 04:30 AM
John Spears
city hall bureau
The pedal-powered taxis set to launch themselves on downtown streets next week may have to navigate some legal traffic before they can pick up their first customer.
Toronto licensing officials are scratching their heads about how to deal with EcoCabs, which may elude bylaws governing cabs.
And they face flat-out opposition from Councillor Howard Moscoe, who chairs the licensing and standards committee. "The last thing Toronto needs is slow-moving, pedal-pushing taxis in the crowded downtown streets," said Moscoe.
In a city where the rule of law prevails, what rules must EcoCabs follow? The answer is still unclear.
The city's bylaws require that vehicles carrying passengers for hire must get a cab licence. EcoCabs may skirt this bylaw because passengers won't be charged a fare; the three-wheeled vehicles will carry advertising for corporate sponsors.
Could the city argue that, in fact, the advertisers have hired the vehicles, so they're still cabs? City lawyers are pondering the question.
The city does have clear bylaws governing pedicabs or rickshaws, towed by humans, but no specific rules for bicycle cabs.
EcoCabs says their vehicles will operate downtown, where congestion is heavy. But bylaws ban rickshaws from the street between 3:30 and 6:30 p.m., when congestion is at its worst. They're banned at all times from some stretches of King, Queen, Gerrard and Front Sts.
But here's another legal wrinkle. Pedicabs are defined as vehicles propelled by human muscular power. That could apply to bicycle cabs. But the EcoCabs also have electric motors to assist the driver. Does that mean they escape the pedicab rules? Again, lawyers are looking at bylaws and talking to other cities where the cabs operate.
Richard Mucha, manager of licensing services, said he can't comment on what the city's position might be on May 1, when EcoCabs plans to take to the streets.
Annie (not verified)
I stopped using bike lanes
Thu, 04/24/2008 - 12:27I stopped using bike lanes last year because I got tired of getting stuck behind lines of slow cyclists, and I'm not even one of the really speedy cyclists. Is it just me, or are the side streets getting congested with cyclists too? Lately, the number of cyclists on my alternate routes easily outnumber the number of cars. I'm thrilled to see more people using bikes (and rollerblades, and skateboards,...) but wow, do we ever need better infrastructure!
vic
Bike lane traffic
Thu, 04/24/2008 - 15:55I don't mind people riding slowly in bike lanes. If I want to pass, I just pull out to the left and go faster.
That's one of the problems I have with bike lanes that have barriers or bollards. Makes it difficult to pass. Pissed me off in Montreal.... Couldn't pass the slower cyclists easily, and sometimes the faster ones would squeeze by dangerously close because there is no more room to move over.
The EnigManiac
Does anyone else see the parallels?
Thu, 04/24/2008 - 17:15Faster cyclists want to pass slower ones and sometimes feel compelled to squeeze by uncomfortably close or are impatient and ride the rear tire of the slower cyclist in front as the speedy cyclist waits for an opportunity to pass. Hmmm, sure sounds like the challenges most of us have with motorists when we're riding in the regular traffic lanes. I have usually recommended to all cyclists to ride according to both the weather and TRAFFIC conditions and that means that if the roads are congested with traffic---cars, trucks, bikes, what-have-you---then we must exercise patience. We have to go a little slower. We unnecessarily endanger others and ourselves when trying to pass unsafely and if that happens what message does that send to newbies? That you have to be an experienced, fast cyclist or even bike lanes is no refuge from impatient, overly-aggressive commuters? That certainly won't encourage them to choose cycling over driving on a regular basis, will it? Hostility and impatience is no way to greet a new cyclist.
I have noticed a marked increase in cyclists this spring. Maybe it's the unseasonably warm temperatures, maybe it's spring fever, maybe it's the fact that gas prices are almost $1.22 a litre and maybe it's the still-looming threat of a TTC strike. Maybe it's a combination of all of them. Don't know, don't care. I'm glad to see more cyclists and I'll endure greenhorns who are, hopefully, learning the unwritten rules of riding in bike lanes and motor traffic as well as the written rules. But no matter what, there will---like motorists---always be good cyclists and bad cyclists; good cyclists who shoulder-check frequently or, like me, use their mirrors every 10 seconds and move aside when possible to allow faster cyclists to zip by; good cyclists who maintain a straight, predictable line in order to remain visible; good cyclists who don't travel at such a high rate of speed that they cannot stop safely should a cyclist or motorist or a pedestrian does something unexpected or foolish or illogical; bad cyclists who run reds, even at slow speeds; who remain unaware of other cyclists or traffic around them; who never use lights or even reflectors at night and insist on riding on the wrong side of the street, particularly on one-way residential streets. Let's take them all into account when we're riding. They are, generally, less of a danger than motorists, after all, and they are fellow-cyclists. We all more cyclists, but we don't want to be slowed down or inconvenienced. Well, guess what, we're not the only ones who need to get from place to place. We have to share and that means compromise and extending both respect and safety toward our fellow cyclists...oh yeah, and those other users of the road too. :)
chephy (not verified)
Bollards and other barriers
Thu, 04/24/2008 - 21:54Bollards and other barriers are completely awful, I agree. But as it is, I don't see slower cyclists as a big deal. Yes, sometimes I need to wait for three seconds before I can pass them. Oh horror, eh? Of course, wider bike lanes would be nice, but somehow I get the feeling they'll get clogged up just as much. Look at park trails: on nice days clots of slow-moving people occupy the whole width of them, not even pretending to be considerate of anyone else on the trail.
Annie (not verified)
I guess it depends on the traffic
Fri, 04/25/2008 - 08:15Most of the time when I found myself behind lines of slow moving cyclists, there was a steady flow of cars on my left and I didn't feel comfortable darting out of the bike lane into the traffic just to pass people. The lanes had gotten so busy that even when I did pass one clump, I just got stuck behind another half a block down.
Yeah, bollards for single lane bike lanes would be a drag. But I'd take the bollards over parked trucks any day! Though my dream would be bollards for double lanes. I can't see that ever happening - successfully at least; the right side of a 2-lane bikeway would be lined with sewer grates so no one would want to use it and the bikeline would effectively become a single lane trap.
The different attitudes towards slow cyclists (take your time, pass them, avoid the bikelanes) makes me wonder about how effective we can be as cycling advocates. I doubt we have a common vision or goal on a number of issues...
Svend
It's worse on sidewalks,
Fri, 04/25/2008 - 10:29It's worse on sidewalks, some of us are fast walkers while others dawdle or stop to chat. It wouldn't improve with wider sidewalks either.
I accept it as part of life, we just need to have patience with things we can't change.
Better than having walking enforcement officers saying "move along, move along!".
darren
does slow matter?
Tue, 04/22/2008 - 11:53Maybe cyclists are often the fastest vehicle on the roads downtown. Quite often though, we expect motorists to deal with our slower speeds by waiting, then passing us safely. Just like 50 km/h isn't the minimum speed limit some motorists would like, neither is the speed of a fit cyclist on a light bike.
If this was popular enough, we could divide the right hand lanes into slow human power (rollerbladers, pedicabs, some cyclists) and fast human power.
-dj
The EnigManiac
I'm Glad They're Back...
Tue, 04/22/2008 - 12:18In the mid-80's, I was a pedi-cab driver for two summers before both companies (Toronto Pedicabs & First Class Pedicabs, I believe) disappeared (forced out of business?) and I can tell you it was the best job I ever had. I chose my own hours, the money was cash and...ahem...tax free and I got great exercise while meeting new people and making a lot of money. I've always thought it a travesty that pedi-cabs disappeared in this city and am glad they're back. Heck, I might even contact them and see if they'll hire me.
While the last thing we need is more advertising clutter, I'll put up with the rolling billboard simply because they offer the rides for free and they're human-powered.
I'll take sharing the road with a pedi-cab over any motor-vehicle any day. Anything human-powered gets my endorsement.
And for the member here who was lamenting over the number of cyclists on the road already, I can appreciate it is a bit of a challenge dealing with newbies who never, ever do a shoulder check, breeze past me to run a red (while I'm stopped) and hug the curb or the right hand side of the bike lanes. But you know what? They're still a whole lot better than the cell-phone yacking, distracted or frustrated or impatient or aggressive motorists.
Svend
It looks cool!
Tue, 04/22/2008 - 13:20Anything that gets us a bit closer to a carfree city is a good thing, in my opinion. The more bikes, trikes, e-bikes, trailers, bladers, skaters, rickshaws, pedicabs we get the closer we come to the critical mass where roads aren't seen as strictly for cars. They can help us get wider bike lanes on more streets.
It would be great if a major sponsor did the same to give us a shared bike system as in Paris, let's encourage someone to take that step.