Many have mentioned the folly of the Toronto Bike Plan. One of the most common complaints is that the City is putting in bike lanes where cyclists don't really need them and ignoring the places most needed. Well, it's no secret. Councillor Adrian Heaps says City Council is "taking the path of least resistance" by focusing on the areas where it's easiest to put in a bike lane.
The places where it's easiest to put in bike lanes just happen to be in the far reaches of the city. Here are the locations that were debated at this week's Public Works meeting. Do you recognize any of them? Are they actually in Toronto?
- Brimorton Drive from Brimley Road to Scarborough Golf Club Road;
- Conlins Road from Ellesmere Road to Sheppard Avenue East;
- Horner Avenue from Browns' Line to Judson Street;
- Renforth Drive from Bloor Street West to Rathburn Road;
- The Queensway, from 250 metres east of High Street to Windermere Avenue.
Like most hardcore downtown cyclists, I would prefer to see a lot more work going on downtown, but I can't really begrudge that suburbs get a good network of lanes to help connect them to other parts of the city. It helps to encourage more people to bike, and it normalizes cycling. I also can't begrudge that the councillor has a plan. Technically maybe not the best plan, but politically the best plan for the moment.
Comments
Darren_S
This is a new plan?
Sat, 09/13/2008 - 17:18Respectively Herb, putting bike lanes where the least "resistance" exists has been the norm from day one. You need only to look at a bike lane map to see it. The only thing Heaps did differently was to be blunt about it.
Does this nonsense encourage more people to cycle? Quite questionable. Yes, the majority of potential cyclists want bike lanes. I am willing to bet that there is a caveat to it. They want bike lanes/routes that make sense and for the most part continuous.
hamish (not verified)
Any new bike lanes seem uphill to do
Sun, 09/14/2008 - 13:29Even the more suburban ones seem difficult, and especially poignant as the tragedy on Trethewy illustrates. Apparently that intersection was to get a bike lane, is to have one, eg. http://biketoronto.ca/vote2006/show/can/63.htm but it didn't happen, yet. So perhaps the family of the deceased will be suing the City one can hope, but also believe there has to be a prompt notice of intent to sue within the short period of time that the family is reeling from shock and making funeral arrangements. Solicitor email I think is rakinasto@toronto.ca
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Perhaps we could give extra weighting to really popular and yet difficult to do routes. If Mr Heaps misses a single km on Annette, sure he could make it up somewhere else, maybe even along Bloor, where councillor Rae said he'd bring bike lanes to in his election bumph. Or maybe we should say 1km of Bloor, (never putinto the Bike Plan) would be worth 10kms of bike lane elsewhere and kudos all around.
We need both burban and urban routes, but there are some gaping holes in the urban Bike Plan that are intolerable, and we need a network not a patchwork.
Meanwhile, safe rides.
AnnieD
Anyone know what happened to
Sun, 09/14/2008 - 13:46Anyone know what happened to the proposed contra-flow bikelane on Shaw? Wasn't that announced in the spring? Not sure how it would be implemented, though, the street seems too narrow for it and a simple "bicycles excepted" under the one way sign would really be enough. It's already being used in that way by many cyclists who prefer going against the grain over the busy and parking clogged alternatives on Ossington or Christie.
8sml (not verified)
Trading lanes
Sun, 09/14/2008 - 16:22I think if we start trading one bike lane for another, we will end up with more patchwork and less network. To take the Annette example, it connects the actual bike lane on Runnymede to the proposed (and approved) lane on Dupont; no Annette bike lane, no network. It would be nice to have a lane on Bloor, too, don't get me wrong--but I don't want to give councillors any added excuse to cave in to a small group of opponents who can shout louder than the cyclists in areas outside downtown.
Martin Reis (not verified)
Radical change is needed now.
Sun, 09/14/2008 - 17:38I think we're ready. Heaps ain't doin' it. Heaps likes to win.
So far he is only losing.
Luke Siragusa
Radical change is needed now - seconded.
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 00:24I wonder that implementing the Toronto Bike Plan where's it's most politically palatable and a 'take what you can get' approach may work against us: we could end up defending little used, inferior routes though we recognize their prime qualification for inclusion in the Plan is expediency.
Witnessing the velophobe, Councillor Holyday, in action (at the PWIC meeting) made me uneasy precisely because at times I found myself agreeing with him. He complained he never sees existing cycling lanes (in or around his ward) used. I can't speak to the veracity of his specific claim, but who among us can dispute the fact that a suburban cyclist is often little more than an oxymoron.
The path of least resistance is that for a reason: it offers the least. Velophobes cede it because they don't consider it worth fighting for and often it's with good reason.
Whether it's part of the 'Plan' or not we should start pushing for space on major arteries where cyclists already proliferate, in the core. Maybe the lane on Brimorton will be used may be it won't, I can't say. But I do know that if we slap some paint on the downtown stretches of Bloor, Queen, Yonge, Dundas, or St. Clair right now it will be instantly inundated with thousands of cyclists. And that would be a statement that Holyday et al could not deny; it would strip them of their ammunition.
But there are exceptions. Councillor Baeremaeker recently announced he intends to push for lanes on Lawrence Ave (from Vic Park to the Rouge River and on to Pickering via the waterfront trail) -- almost 17 KM of bikeway on a major commercial thoroughfare! This is part of the official Bike Plan, it's also the type of bold initiative we need.
At any rate let's stop clapping like trained seals whenever a little paint is spilled onto asphalt; let's be more discerning.
Erhard
Radical change is needed now - where to start
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 08:15We need a priority list of routes - maybe a classification that tells us which lanes we need now, which ones can wait and which ones are a nice to have. The city would then no longer have the broad selection of "any" of the routes in the plan and thus be on the nut to build first the lanes that will help the cause.
Erhard
Scarborough lanes - important or not....
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 08:32"Is it it part of Toronto"?!!! Are you making fun of us underpriviliged Scarberians, again?
I know the area reasonable well:
Useful because it's away from major traffic (pleasant to ride, no pushy traffic) and and goes east-west a fair distance (about MArkham Avto Midland). It would used by folks that need an east west connection in the Lawrence and Ellesmere area. But not as important to commuting as a bike artery like a Lawrence path would be.
* Conlins Road from Ellesmere Road to Sheppard Avenue East;
It's useful since it connects north of the 401 with the south side. But there are options: Meadowvale and Morningside that could serve the same purpose. Conlins could be of value since there are no ramps onto the 401 that make a mess of the Morningside cycling. I am surprised that Meadowvale is not on the Bikeplan since it would be a logical connection for weekend Zoo visitors or the many folks that will head towards the Rouge Park area.
Jenika (not verified)
Scarborough cyclists appreciate bike lanes
Fri, 09/19/2008 - 12:58These lanes will be much appreciated. While I'd also like to see more bike lanes downtown, they're also desperately needed here. Shayla Duval's article in Dandyhorse about Scarborough's two remaining bike shops alludes to the inaccessibility of the burbs.
The two stretches Erhard commented on are actually great choices.
For instance, Brimorton Drive happens to be a terrific-yet-unknown alternative to Ellesmere for Centennial and UTSC students going to Scarborough Town: our access point to the RT/subway line.
Conlins Road is the closest north-south parth for crossing the 401 (and avoiding those dangerous ramps) to our campus, and the presence of a bike lane would help point that out.
Erhard
Brimorton and Conlins
Fri, 09/19/2008 - 14:01....
That's good to know: send an email to Heaps - I am sure he and his office would appreciate such positive comment.
To make that path really work, is there an improvement along Ellesmere needed, from Orton Park to the Military Trail? That should go up the priority list, so one gets the best bang for the buck with that Brimorton effort....
I didn't think of the University - I am glad you brought it up!
veronica (not verified)
I'm getting really tired of
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 09:10I'm getting really tired of being labelled an oxymoron. Or referred to as nobody. I'm a hard core suburban cyclists, thank you very much, and I'm sick and tired of hearing of how the only cyclists worthy of bike lanes are those downtown. Come and bike on some of the arterials I have to do and then you'll see just how cushy a ride you have.
Luke Siragusa
Re: I'm getting really tired of
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 10:22Veronica I welcome you debunking my misconceptions; I sincerely hope you're not the exception that proves the rule.
In no way do I feel outlying cyclists are less worthy. I regularly bike the breadth of Scarborough to visit family in Pickering (still won't take Brimorton for that ride though) and my commute takes me north of the 401 so I appreciate how hostile is much of our urban landscape -- no need to convince me.
That's not the issue, it's what strategy is the most beneficial. Bike lanes require the expenditure of political capital and good will; the wisdom of depleting those resources installing lanes where they're most expedient, but required least, deserves debate.
I hope that such a dialogue doesn't end in acrimony between central and outer cyclists. That's an outcome that neither of us should be worthy of.
David Juliusson (not verified)
A fellow oxymoron comments
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 13:10Veronica
Like you I seem to be a fellow oxymoron. I commute from Long Branch to downtown. Another 10 blocks and I'd live in Mississauga. I know where Horner Ave. and I don't consider Queenway and Windermere as some exotic country location.
I agree, there is a downtown focus. Also, there is a strong opposition from the suburbs. Councillor Holyday made that abundantly clear at the recent PWIC meeting. Councillor Ford publicly stated that any cyclist killed is their own fault. He believes the roads are for cars, trucks taxis and buses only. We face opposition even from the bike community.
On the otherhand, things are happening in the "suburbs". Ward 6 is receiving 10% of this years bike lane allocation. Councillor Grimes supports the idea of bike lanes in his ward. Councillor Heaps is the chair of the City Cycling Committee and Councillor De Baeremaeker rides to City Hall. Both are from Scarborough. That is encouraging.
What some people seem to miss is we are not in the suburbs. We live in Toronto. That's what the mega city was all about. Get used to it, it has been 10 years.
The way I channelled my frustration was joining the Toronto Cycling Union. They have organized a Ward Captain program that covers all 44 wards of the City. There are 44 wards and Councillors vote on issues throughout the City. Councillors are on comittes and hold enormous sway over some local issues. Councillor Heaps opinion will make a big difference on future downtown bike routes. The Cycling Union looks at the whole city in the same way. It focuses heavily on the Bike Plan and by acting on a ward basis can hold councillors accountable to their voters.
Focusing on wards can have an effect. Councillor Ootes is well known for his antipathy towards cycling. He will have to be reelcted in a couple years. He won in 2006 by 20 votes. The ballot box that made the difference was found in the trunk of a car. Municipal voter turnout is historically low. Is there no place for organized citizens focused on bike issues there?
I believe we should look at the city as a whole. I have written in this forum on the closing of the Scarborough Gap even though I will rarely if ever use it. I support Phase 2 of the Mimico Waterfront Park which will give me a good trail to work.I also believe the railway trail from Strachan Ave. to the Junction is important. I think other cyclists should see this as good even if they don't ride it. Getting more cyclists on the road is critical.
Finally, for the downtowners like Herb who consider Queenway and Windermere to be suburbia. Come out and see Toronto beyond the Don and Humber Rivers. There is life north of Davenport. We support your fights with letters, political pressure and tax dollars. We deserve some respect for our efforts.
dramaturge (not verified)
Wanted: good parenting for this (no bike) city
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 10:53You're all way off base. Forget bike lanes... ain't going to happen quickly enough. Forget bike buses... only causes bad PR. The only true cure to what ails this (no bike) city is better parenting.
Think about it... If Councillors Ford, Ootes, Rae, Miller, etc., and the motorists of this city, were brought up better... they'd be less friggin' selfish and would have much less trouble getting their heads around the concept of "sharing" the road.
So all you parents of young adults out there... when they ask you to borrow the car, simply tell them to go by bike... it ain't gonna kill them...
(Wait, on second thought... Nevermind, I take that all back... )
Cpt_Sunshine
Suburban Bike Lanes are Critical
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 11:19The most important point is the least well stated in this post
Isn't this the real purpose of bike advocacy? We should all know here that increased cycling usage is the best way to improve cycling safety, and that bike lanes are the best way to increase local cycling. So why shouldn't we be targeting areas that have the most car use? Especially if those are the areas are the easiest to get bike lanes. It should be a snowballing effect - every time we take a bum out of a car seat and onto saddle it is a victory and makes it easier to get more bike lanes.
veronica (not verified)
Too late
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 13:35"Bike lanes require the expenditure of political capital and good will; the wisdom of depleting those resources installing lanes where they're most expedient, but required least, deserves debate."
Luke,
Clearly you and I are applying different criteria. For you, bike lanes are most deserved based on the number of cyclists. My criteria favours putting bike lanes where its most dangerous to bike. Leslie, Lawrence, York Mills/Wilson etc etc, arterials where traffic routinely travels at 70-80km is, IMHO, far more dangerous than Bloor-Danforth, Queen etc. And I would further argue that the majority of cyclists feel that way too because lots of them cycle on Bloor street, very few cycle on York Mills.
The number one reason people give for not cycling more is that they don't feel safe. So why shouldn't money be spent first in the places where cyclists feel the least safe?
As for feeling acrimonious towards downtown cyclists - too late. I started cycling advocacy with the belief that if I help others get infrastructure in their neighbourhoods, the effort will be returned. Boy, was I naive. After years of hearing the nobody cycles in the suburbs and its a waste of money to put bike lanes there, I have no good will left for downtown cyclists.
David said it far better than I ever could: "We support your fights with letters, political pressure and tax dollars. We deserve some respect for our efforts."
When I see a contingent of downtown cyclists out in support at a public meeting for bike lanes up in my ward, well I'll reconsider my boycott of events like Bells on Bloor etc. But until that time, the [limited] time and energy that I have to devote to cycling advocacy will will directed towards improving conditions in my ward, seeing as how none of the rest of the cycling community is going to step up and advocate there.
Luke Siragusa
Re: Too late
Tue, 09/16/2008 - 11:16I'd wager we agree more than you suspect. All the high speed corridors you mentioned are no-go zones for cyclists, they all could do with bikeways. Period. I live in the core but I commute to the burbs (Rexdale) so practically speaking I'm an oxymoron as well. (I've been called worse, even by myself ;-). I support bike lanes as a public good for the reasons we all know to well, regardless of whether I avail myself of the particular ones in question.
But let's stop thinking like cyclists and start calculating like politicians. Because this is fundamentally a political question we're discussing.
At the last PWIC meeting, Doug Holyday, in an exchange with Ron Fletcher of TBN over the merits of the proposed Renforth bikeway (which falls in his ward), asked this question: "If these bike lanes are so important, why don't I see anyone from my ward here?" There were precisely zero interested parties from his constituency, as there were from De Baeremaeker's ward, in which Brimorton is located.
Holyday's point is devastatingly effective; it was not adequately countered by the likes of us, crosstown interlopers arguing for a coherent bikeway grid. Christ, I had to consult a map to determine exactly where the proposed bikeways were located; I'd never heard of Brimorton and Horner before, Renforth I knew vaguely to be in the west end. (I openly commended and encouraged De Baeremaeker on the Lawrence bikeway initiative).
The adage is undeniable: all politics is local. In one's hierarchy of priorities, parochial concerns tend to be foremost. You can bet your life that the councillors understand this -- that's how they got elected and that's how they stay in power. If enough of their voters' speak on an issue, they listen. The silence from the concerned (near burbs) at that PWIC meeting was deafening. And the councillors took note.
Most of the voices agitating for a velo-rution are from the core because that's where the majority of cyclists are. Bikes on Bloor easily drew over a thousand riders this year. How many cyclists do you think would show up for a Cruise down Kennedy event? Fault downtown pedallers for their greater numbers and self interested agenda -- they're hardly alone in this distinction -- if you will, but also recognize that they comprise the greatest likelihood of advocacy coalescing into a movement potent enough to galvanize councillors into action. And it's only natural that that action should begin at home.
That is my point. It doesn't concern who is more worthy of bikeways, endangered by traffic, or deserving of respect -- politics rarely concerns itself with such quaint notions.
AnnieD
Reversing the order of causality
Tue, 09/16/2008 - 12:19You need to create the bike lanes to turn people into cyclists to fill the seats at those PWIC meetings. I don't believe for a second that these councillors don't realize that. They're just taking the angle that supports their agenda because they have no interest in turning people into cyclists. But we know better and rather than try to downplay the small number of cyclists, we need to shove it under their noses "Your ward is so unsafe for cyclists that you have one of the lowest bike riderships in the city (or insert other appropriate statistic here). What are you going to do about it?"
Luke Siragusa
Re: Reversing the order of causality
Wed, 09/17/2008 - 17:48And when their answer is all too often "nothing", without the benefit of numbers and organizaton, there's very little one can do about it.
--- (not verified)
I'm a downtowner, so of
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 15:39I'm a downtowner, so of course I want to see more useful paths downtown. However, I used to be suburbanite too. Getting those paths out there is going to slowly encourage more people to ride in the burbs and expose suburban drivers to cyclists more. I've always found the suburbs more difficult to ride than downtown because the drivers just aren't used to cyclists (and in many cases aren't even looking for cyclists).
In the end, I just really want that Bloor path. I'm still cheering for all the other paths that are being put down though. Doesn't matter where it is, it's gonna be useful to someone, and is gonna help make this a cyclist's city.
anthony
And that's my point, too, veronica
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 16:48Tonight is an important meeting for the Annette Street bike lanes. We need as amany cyclists as possible to fill the space up as possible, and we need to shout for our bike lanes!
Next week the battle will be somewhere else. Perhaps in your ward, veronica .
As long as cyclists continue to not show up at these meetings we cannot expect things to change anywhere.
It shouldn't matter where you come from, you need to show up for these things. I'm from Etobicoke, but I still make time to show up for PWIC/TCAC & community meetings. It's too bad that not enough others do.
...And that is why our bike lanes have dissapeared into parking spaces.
anthony
It's not enought to cheer, you gotta show up
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 16:52It's not enought to cheer, you gotta show up to the meetings.
Hanging out on the sidelines ain't going to change anything.
To be invloved, to be active, means showing up for these things at the time when it matters, like tonight. You want your, help us fight for ours, too. And we'll be these for you when that time comes.
sputnik (not verified)
Last minute notice?
Tue, 09/16/2008 - 10:50Can the Union not give all cyclists notice next time - round up the troops? Everything seems somewhat last minute, no appreciable numbers can be garnered that way can they?
Darren_S
Ward absurdity.
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 20:08Can anyone name any part of the Toronto transportation system that is put together on a ward basis? Imagine if each ward wanted a say in exactly what route it takes in its ward. Cycling is the only one that is warped by ward boundaries. It is not even done to pedestrians.
It is even more absurd that we approach cycling infrastructure in such a fashion. The bottom up approach needs to stop. We need to approach this from the top. Need an effective example of this, try the CAA. You think they would bother with some insignificant committee if they wanted something?
Svend
I disagree with the initial post
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 20:00Every single major street should have a bike lane, if we get more by doing the easiest ones that's fine by me. I'm encouraged that more are being done this year, it will mean we get more cyclists in every section of the city. The easiest ones are often the widest streets with traffic that is too fast and with no street parking - bike lanes will reduce speeds to a civilized pace and they won't be blamed for taking away parking.
The number of kilometres put in each year isn't limited by money, the amount budgeted isn't spent. Why make this a suburb vs downtown needs argument?
Darren_S
Speed bumps
Mon, 09/15/2008 - 20:37...- bike lanes will reduce speeds to a civilized pace and they won't be blamed for taking away parking.
I do not like using cyclists as speed bumps. When bike lanes were installed on Dundas, 3 of the 4 rush hour directions of travel saw a reduction in travel times for cars. Yes it became more civilized but it did not reduce speeds.
A cyclist should be able to hop onto the bike way network anywhere in Toronto and travel a continuous route not on something that jumps all over the place. I am arguing for total inclusion, not pitting one area against the other.
If "potential" cyclists see that there is no bike lane along the more risky parts they will be no more inclined to ride their bikes.
hamish (not verified)
It's a numbingly vast "city"
Tue, 09/16/2008 - 09:06We do need to do both - eg. lanes in the core, lanes in the "suburbs" - but over half the cyclists seem to be in the older core using City stats, and historically, that seems to be where the bike lanes were first installed.
There is also another impediment for some - distance matters. Due to a mix of jobs and living it's often easier to get to work in the core areas by bike.
In partial response to Veronica's concerns, it's not just that some of us are a bit swamped by the "causes" in the core, but due to the uncertain worth of the Bike Plan in parts, if I don't know an area, then I don't feel terribly comfortable in pushing for a bike lane in it. It's kinda like a respect for an area, and residents etc.
That said, the suburban carterials are pretty horrible places to ride in, and the Metro folks have done a great job of making them unfriendly, including as Clay pointed out the taking of the wide curb lanes in places to make left turn lanes. But there was a ton of money to pour coloured concrete for the splash zones to mark them as Metro roads, visible only from the traffic helicoptors, and other areas might have used that coloured concrete for bike lanes.
And should they be on the road or beside the sidewalk? though staff are often concerned that the beside sidewalk riding can lead to increased rates of collision due to the bike not being so visible with turns etc.
Thanks for riding in the suburbs everyone - safe journies.
Andrew Thomson
hamish this is where i
Fri, 09/19/2008 - 10:07hamish this is where i disagree with you i live in what you all call suburbia eglington and keele personally its the city and i work in suburbia up near newmarket which i bike to every day but if i can make it down to all the events eg. the dandyhorse launch with my trailer to deliver the magazines then i think all you downtowners from kensington and the surrounding areas could make it to our events and thats why i got involved in the union to tell people that there are cyclists outside of the downtown core and veronica i'd be happy to attend any of your events in your area just post it on ibike when it is i'm sure you'll get a better turn out then you would imagine theres a lot of us suburianites as they like to call us that ride are bikes and are all for bike lanes i'm just happy anytime i see more paint on the pavement and say thank god there will be more kids safe riding that street now
tanya
These are great projects
Tue, 09/16/2008 - 12:37I've ridden on Horner, Renforth and the Queensway, and have to say that all can be scary carterials that could definitely use bike lanes. These are not about just putting bike lanes where they are easy and useless - I can site quite a few urban locations for that (Greenwood - where the lanes make things subtly worse, and Logan )
It would be helpful to put in this post the distances to really evaluate the lanes, if they can get cyclists long distances they are useful, if they are short stubs, then they are a start but definitely need to make connections.
I am sick and tired of the argument that more resources should go downtown because more cyclists are there. First of all, its a chicken and an egg problem. Many cyclists don't cycle in the suburbs because there are no routes that feel comfortable. Downtown already feels comfortable without bike lanes due to congestion and slower speeds - or you would not see the vast numbers that you do.
As well, the suburbs have been ignored for far too long in infrastructure projects. What's the point of continuing to put bike lanes a couple hundred metres from the last one in the urban core - such as Logan, Jones, Greenwood - when you can be several kms from a bike lane in Scarborough.
The suburbs deserve the attention - get your mind out of the box of narrow thinking. This is I Bike T.O. - not I Bike Bathurst-to-Parliament. Toronto is a big megacity. Deal with it.
David Juliusson (not verified)
I agree with Tanya.
Wed, 09/17/2008 - 15:17I agree with Tanya completely. I rode the Waterfront Trail ride in July. By far the worst part of the ride was the Scarborough Gap. It was embarrassing.
There are groups outside the Bike Plan that would like to do work. The Waterfront Trail Association is interested in closing the gap and are working with the City as we speak. There won't be bike paths, but off road riding. Alex Shevchuk from Parks, Forestry & Recreation Division has been assigned to work with the Waterfront Trail Association. His number is (416) 392-0356.
Similarly, in Mimico efforts are being made to bring in Phase 2 of the Mimico Waterfront Park. Again not part of the Bike Plan. All three levels of government representatives have stated it is a priority and the federal government has put up money for it. Included will be a multi use trail that meets up with the Humber Park portion of the Martin Goodman Trail. This will make my commute easier. We should encourage groups to work with us.
The suburbs were ignored for a long time. Until recently, councillors were able to block any bike infrastructure work in their neighbourhoods. Etobicoke has one councillor who says bicyclists killed deserve it. How many bike lanes do you think went into his ward? Only Councillor Grimes has made positive statements on cycling from Etobicoke wards. Not surprisingly, his ward has the highest number of lanes and highest number of riders.
Council has made a change. Bike lanes are now an infrastructure decision as part of transport. No longer can a councillor block or threaten to take away bike lanes. Can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if Councillor Ootes asked that all car lanes be taken off Dundas Street because he doesn't want them in his ward? Under the new law, the same applies to bikes.
There are councillors totally against bike lanes. So Councillor Heaps is fighting the easy battles first. Eventually he can fight the Councillors Ootes, Holyday and Ford of the world. He is hoping political pressure is put on these councillors by their constituents. Keep i mind Councillor Ootes won the 2006 election by 20 votes...
We need the lanes in the "suburbs". We have very few. When new lanes are put in, they are used. Start with the bike plan, but support other opportunities when they arise.
Finally, look beyond what you expect. I for one have been involved in asking for proper bike parking during the CNE. Did I visit the Ex? No. Why would my voice be listened to? Because my "suburban" councillor is on the Board of Director for the CNE. It is an example of how we can help each other.
herb
different strategies
Wed, 09/17/2008 - 00:56I thought I'd look up the locations, and as I suspected, they do seem quite useful for the few current cyclists and the many future cyclists. They may even be useful for me if I happen to be in the area.
I think I managed in this post to play devil's advocate on both sides - and manage to get some grumpy responses from both. I thrive off it, at least when it's thoughtful and constructive.
I put in a lot of suburban miles too. I am one of the lonely commuters to Mississauga. The long ride lets me think about how things could easily be improved with minimal fuss or otherwise. One idea I had was to legalize sidewalk cycling (I've talked about this before). Not all sidewalks are made the same. I rode on Dundas in Mississauga today and think long, long stretches of it would work just fine as a bike path. Now we just need to train all the cyclists to watch out for driveways and intersections.
Or another idea I had was to reduce the speed limits across the city - or at least downtown. Studies show that speed reductions have a big impact on cyclist and pedestrian deaths. Why not make the city much safer in one fell swoop? (I think Edinburgh is doing just this). Or if that isn't palatable than perhaps just institute it downtown. It would be nice to ride on Adelaide or Richmond and have cars waddle by me at 30 km / hr. I hear slower speeds means you can fit more cars in too so that would reduce traffic jams. A win-win situation. I wouldn't even worry about not having a bike lane if cars went that slow (Or I'd only want a bike lane because the cars were going too damn slow and I needed to get past them).
Or yet another idea is for the cyclists to campaign to fix all those nasty potholes, bad asphalt patches along streetcar tracks, and utility cuts. Not all that original but I think it can really reduce injuries to cyclists if we don't have to worry about taking a spill because the roadway is in such bad shape.
And I have all these ideas just on my commute back downtown. But then when I get back on a street like Queen West I realize there are a heck of a lot more cyclists down there and perhaps if we just find a way for them to bike without having to worry about getting doored than we can improve cycling and reduce crashes and collisions for a much greater number of cyclists.
But then I'm just playing a numbers game.
Ben
Speed Limit
Wed, 09/17/2008 - 11:36The current limit of 50 km/h is excessive on most roads. The upside is that it probably wouldn't cost too much to reduce the speed limit to 30 km/h in the core. The cost of a few hundred thousand dollars worth of signs is easily offset by the increased safety for all road users (i.e. everyone).
The down side is that a lot of cyclists would be getting speeding tickets. :o)
Erhard
Sidewalk cycling
Wed, 09/17/2008 - 19:56Herb, you knew I'd bite!
Instinctively, I don't like the idea. But I am open to explore, maybe you are onto something. Let's talk about these long stretches of sidewalks that flank the major arteries like Finch and Steeles.
Here in Scarberia, quite a number of folks cycle to work - typically immigrants that cycled back home and do it here to save a dollar. They ride on the sidewalks.
As a driver, I have witnessed and even experienced myself hair-raising situations at intersections: drivers that want to proceed at a stop sign or a right-turn on red think all is clear by checking the traffic on the road, and they check whether someone wants to cross from the sidewalk. That latter check fails because the sidewalk cyclist is faster than the driver expects, and thus the driver proceeds and endangers the cyclist. The saving grace is that these folks on bikes are usually -but not always - slow and cautious. But the situation is darn dangerous, and I think the Toronto accident report backs me up with the stats.
Maybe these things would work if the sidewalk is labelled as "shared (bike and walk)" and a solution is found for the places where side streets enter, typically every 300m or so. A light that separates bikes from all cars (i.e. the right turning cars get a red light if cyclists are allowed to proceed).
Side streets would be dealt with in this fashion, but there is the problem with commercial malls along the road. I don't see an easy solution. The malls are often strung out with multiple driveways entering the road, cars enter frequently and the drivers are often distracted because of complexity: pedestrians, other cars moving in the parking lot, and those driveways are near intersections of side roads, which usually carry significant traffic.
Along such plazas and gas stations, maybe it would be best to direct the cycle traffic onto the road for a short stretch, and a painted bike path would give them there the right-of-way and make them more visible to the motorized traffic.
LAst not least, interference between cyclist and pedestrian is normally rare because few people walk there (this is different in the subdivisions with houses and driveways left and right) - so there might only be an issue when the school kids are on the way - i.e. between 8 and 9am and then again in the afternoon.
Any comments?
Inigo Montoya (not verified)
Another downtown cyclist who knows those areas
Thu, 09/18/2008 - 18:14That section of the Queensway is right on my bike route to work (live downtown, work airport area). The Renforth section could be, except it doesn't connect with anything useful, so I use Royal York or Kingsway for north/south.
Considering the number of comments about reconfiguring the Kingsway/Queensway intersection previously, one would think that a bike lane there would be considered a priority, not sarcasticly devalued. I'd rather have a bike lane there than along Queen. (Well, I'd rather have both, but....) On the Queensway I worry about merging and turning traffic going 60+ kph. On Queen, the biggest danger is the parked cars, and a bike lane doesn't help that.
scorekeeper (not verified)
Keeping score
Fri, 09/19/2008 - 18:00So there you have it: the suburbs win out on the need for bike lanes and other safer cycling initiatives. Congrats downtown, you came in second. Makes sense.
hamish (not verified)
we're outvoted in transit things too...
Sun, 09/21/2008 - 23:12The Bike Plan stats indicate c. half the biketypes are in the old core, but as scorekeeper noted, the core is outvoted - and this is happening on the political level too, and with the Transit Suburbs program too. I know there's a need for improvements everywhere, but I will remain a bit focussed on the core area because there is a ripple outwards, and the rippling of effects of bike lanes did start in the core.
Not that lanes are always the solution - yes, to lower speed limits and getting folks off of their cell phones while driving.