(Photo: Dundas West BIA)
Dundas West merchants really want their rush-hour parking, even as the new businesses readily admit they don't really need it. Their "NOPE" posters villifying Councillor Giambrone are still hanging in the windows of shops along Dundas West. Their campaign "Our Neighbourhoods are Destinations not Highways!" got a bit of press this last spring, and some renewed interest now. A few weeks ago I wanted to find out why the BIA is fighting to keep rush hour parking despite the needs of cyclists and transit users. What I found was a bunch of self-described progressive merchants, some of them even calling themselves cyclists. They are definitely a bunch of nice people, even if their rhetoric is disproportionate to the issue at hand. Lula Lounge's recent fundraiser, "Save the Dundas 71", is a case in point given that Lula isn't open until long after rush hour.
I bike this stretch all the time. I agree that cars drive fast on Dundas, particularly when there is no parking. That doesn't mean, however, that they're driving fast during rush hour when the traffic is backed up. It also doesn't mean that combining parked cars and cyclists is safer than moving cars and cyclists. In fact, being doored by a driver was the third highest collision type in 2008. Yet, cyclist safety continues to be one of the claims of the Dundas West BIA. One can be forgiven for thinking that cyclist safety is just a buffer in their argument for keeping parking. Given that the safety claim holds little water, let's see if their other claims hold up. They are claiming that Dundas West is being unfairly targeted, and that taking away parking hurts their business.
I sat down at the Brasil Bakery with Sylvia Fernandez, chair of the Dundas West BIA and owner of Progressive Accounting. She brought along a few other Dundas West merchants from Zoot's Cafe, Lula Lounge and West Side Stories. I was overwhelmed by the show for a lowly blogger. They're a surprisingly progressive, well-spoken bunch. The old Portuguese merchants probably wouldn't have made such a strong case to me.
So does the lack of rush hour parking hurt their business? Under 50% of people in the neighbourhood drive to work. In Trinity Spadina only 29% commute by car; while in Davenport (which stretches all the way to St. Clair) has only 47%. The neighbourhood is not all that different from the Annex where a recent study found that only a minority of customers arrived by car. Who should we prioritize? As Marcus Gee points out, this isn't Bellville, this is the big city. A business isn't going to stand or fall based solely on the existence of front door parking.
When confronted with their claim that they had proof that decreased store vacancy in the area was a result of the City's pilot off-side rush hour parking, Fernandez promptly withdrew her claim. No, there's no clear connection between the two: anything could have resulted in better business, including gentrification and even BIA promotion.
Not every business is affected the same way by parking. The irony was that the merchants that Fernandez invited are almost all newer businesses that have moved in as a result of gentrification. The merchants admitted that their own businesses relied little on car parking, let alone rush hour parking. Zoot's Cafe or West Side Stories Video have few customers who arrive by car. And Lula Lounge, whose owner, Jose Ortega designed the infamous poster spoofing the Obama posters but with Giambrone's with "NOPE" written below, doesn't even open until 7pm, long after rush hour. Jose told me that the lack of rush hour parking won't affect his business (yet they still make the claim to G&M that it could bankrupt their business).
So who needs the parking? The BIA claims that the traditional Portuguese merchants have many customers who travel great distances by car for their baked goods, morning coffee, or hardware. So long as there are cars there'll be a need for businesses to have some amount of parking. But just how much? And does this parking need to be directly in front of the store? The BIA didn't have a clear idea, but given that less than 50% of locals drive to work, it's probably less than they're willing to admit.
The BIA seemed open to doing the customer research when I asked, but need funds from the city to do that work. I can only agree that the City hasn't done it's job of showing the facts to merchants and making the case for making the street accessible and safer for all road users. They were quite insistent that they didn't have near enough bike parking. They also said they would be happy to get infrastructure similar to that planned for Roncesvalles, with their "bump outs" slowing down car traffic, making it safer for pedestrians to cross and still allowing for car parking and enough room for cyclists. But if it meant taking out parking for bike lanes they were much less keen.
Their claim that they're being unfairly targeted doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Giambrone is trying to take out rush hour city-wide (or so they claim). So, how is Dundas West unfairly targeted? Everyone is getting the same deal. Perhaps they should admit they've got an automobile bias.
If safety was indeed their first concern I'd expect a more positive response to bike lanes, that they'd be willing to sacrifice some parking to improve cyclist safety. Instead it seems that they're using cyclist safety as a ruse to keep all their parking.
You can't have it both ways. Which of your customers are you going to piss off?
Comments
DueWestLocal (not verified)
Lula's opposition
Fri, 10/02/2009 - 18:55**I really don't understand Lula's opposition to Giambrone, they open after rush hour, and their clientelle drink, meaning that they shouldn't be driving back from Lula's in the first place. This business group, while, I agree, are a very friendly group of individuals, need to make a better case for their opposition. I just don't think they're looking at the changes from a practical point of view. I'm a local, and I can only see this bringing more business to them. Most traffic just tries to blow through the area, streetcar riders are local, cyclists are local. They're the people bringing them business.
The only reason I could see for their opposition is perhaps to do with delivery trucks and the availability of on-street parking for deliveries.
If this is the case, there has to be a better solution, because, from personal experience as a cyclist, delivery vehicles are one of the scarier hazards on the road. I'm not saying they're driven irresponsibly, it's when they're parked, usually taking up the entire lane, that they pose a danger to cyclists, their raised doors pose a huge threat to passing cyclists if opened without looking, and their cargo areas usually project out in a manner that could severely injure a cyclist in the event of a collision.
While I'm glad that my local BIA is active in the community, I think they need to better communicate their fears and their desires. The posters just don't make sense.**
dash (not verified)
Going by the flawed
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 13:52Going by the flawed assumption that parking means more customers, lula's would want to see that parking continue because influx of customers means more free advertising for them (people walking by on the street might take note of the place and come back later).
So for them, it is still a sound marketing decision (based on flawed results)
hamish (not verified)
this isn't simple, is it?
Fri, 10/02/2009 - 21:50There's always conflict on streets between those who wish to go through an area, those who wish to stop, shop, and cross, and locals who have their own interests. Add in cyclists, and transit users, and it can be devilish to figger out what to do.
However, a big part of the solution may have been with an older subway plan that mimicked the railway corridor and cut up to the Dundas St./Keel area along this Dundas St. area (details in the Unbuilt Toronto book, maybe on some of the TTC blogs).
And so may part of it all is to have superior transit and it won't be done readily by strong-arming the streetcar aka the Red Rumble into a slightly faster speed, but instead something that is faster, and gee, maybe instead of the Blue22 and the GO expansion, don't we need some better transit on that adjacent corridor?
That said, I think I would prefer to have the parking more than a faster curb lane, though Dundas tends to be a street for me to avoid as it doesn't help reach my destinations and it's not that safe. Of course citizens and cyclists want to have safer conditions on these main streets as per that west end project survey, which the City essentially ignored in favour of side streets and milk runs, but c'est la vie.
There is a great deal of land for parking already around the 52 Division, but it may require a lot of walking and negotiations and cost, so just because it's there doesn't mean so much.
Duncan
As I see it...
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 10:57I believe the objection is that if you remove the street parking, people will use Dundas simply as a way of getting from downtown to the West end, without ever stopping in between.
And, while I'm certain there are some amazing people running businesses here, what stands out in this area are the "sports bars" surrounded by middle-age men with swollen noses.
While Dundas is a hazzard to cyclists, much like Queen West is, I believe that removing street parking will only increase speeds on this road, and make it even more dangerous for cyclists. Sure, as a cyclist, I may stop in to the Monkey's Paw and then browse the LCBO after work, but if you remove the street parking I'd only do this because I don't want to be run over by the now speeding drivers who are no longer stuck behind a streetcar but are trying to race to pass it in the right lane.
Quillbreak (not verified)
cyclists are customers too
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 13:45I don't understand why they think that cyclists just ride bikes all day and never go out, buy commercial goods, or do what all those people in cars do. What do they think, that the cyclists whole day is riding around town complaining that there is not enough bike lanes in the city.
The truth is that bike lanes bring more business, and new business to an area, because it easier to grab a cyclists attention and it is easier to stop and lock (if there is enough bike rings in the area to lock that is). Also how many cars can you park within close proximity to a store, 4 maybe 6.
It gets my goat that people make up such lame excuses because they are so scared of change. If they would stop complaining and start coming up with ways to better accommodate the change, ex. extra underground Pparking when old buildings are destroyed to erect large condos, or automatic infrastructure to accommodate cyclist in neighbourhoods with new roads (like Liberty village should have done). Who fell asleep at the wheel when they were planning that one?
If the complainers don't start to see cyclists in the picture of how things are changing then I will not feel sorry for them when they no longer are able to stay in business.
Tom Flaherty
Cross Town Traffic
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 14:27There are studies that have shown that slower traffic in front of a retail spaces is good for business, because the people driving by spend more time in front of the store and are then more likely to shop there.
However, the need to move a high volume of traffic through a city centre during peak times exceeds that of special consideration for shop owners - so I totally support the decision to open both lanes during rush hour. The same thing happens on Danforth, and I don't think that businesses are failing as a result.
When assessing the need for store front parking, many BIA's claim that they would be unable to exist without it. Yet considering that the average retail space has about enough room for 1.25 cars, the argument seems to fall flat. If store owners understood where their customers were coming from, they would be better able to manage the issue of parking.
The number of people that drive more than 2 km to shop at a neighbourhood store would likely shock most retailers. A shopper who bikes uses less space to park, doesn't congest traffic, and will have come & gone before the next customer finds a parking spot.
jamesmallon (not verified)
CARS impede movement
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 09:36"the need to move a high volume of traffic through a city centre during peak times exceeds that of special consideration for shop owners"
Which is precisely why cars should be marginalized: they are the least efficient way of moving masses of people through an urban environment. One bus carries as many people as two dozen cars usually do; one bike takes up a fraction of the space; one streetcar carries twice as many as the bus. The main reason TTC surface transit blows downtown is the cars in the way!
Tom Flaherty
Less Is Not More
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 14:38James ,
Yes, of course there are too many cars on our roads. but clogging our streets with parked cars when that space is needed most is inefficient in principle.
Allocatting that space for cycling infrastructure, or mass transit (as you point out) are good alternatives. Parking cars on road ways during rush hour adds to road rage, air pollution. and is an overall waste of time.
jamesmallon (not verified)
Landfill
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 18:00What did I write that made you think I like cars moving, or parked? Landfill them all.
Tom Flaherty
Nothing But Flowers
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 19:35I assumed you were referencing on road parking because it's the subject of this thread, and you also took an excerpt from my post that addressed that same issue.
I have found that the concept of drive less, bike more is more viable; but I like your energy.
geoffrey
Landfill?
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 22:34Landfilling all those odious heaps would be ecologically catastrophic. How about recycling them into something useful - like bicycles.
janafalls (not verified)
I'm a local. I started seeing
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 17:46I'm a local. I started seeing these signs in the neighborhood this summer and I find them irritating. Mostly because their main selling point seems to be that our neighborhood is being 'unfairly targeted'. Many major streets in Toronto don't allow parking during rush hour (Queen, Danforth, etc.). I'm not sure why we'd be any different and this isn't covered in the signs.
I'm not well versed enough to have a definite opinion on the matter. I do, however, dislike when groups lobby with information that isn't accurate and expect me to believe it.
Norm (not verified)
TTC vs Cars vs Merchants vs Cyclists
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 11:08Great conversation here that won't be solved in our lifetimes sadly.
Some interesting updated since this all started though.
There is a lot of background here that I'll try to share (as far as I've gathered myself)
1) parking is on the opposite side to rush hour traffic only, not both sides
2) it is allowed on College to the north and Queen to the south, Roncey to the west (although that is another terrible TTC/Car/City construction hazard for the last year)
3) Adam G. is the local councillor that originally HELPED to get the parking in the area. Now he is TTC chair, he is opposed to parking. Hmmmm... Conflict of interest. Perhaps he should have NO voice in this matter
4) there is no Green P, private lot or any other parking other than side streets which if you live the area you know are pretty full of parked cars already.
5) as of today, currently there is no street cars or buses on Dundas due to water main construction. They have gone ahead and removed the parking though. again.. hmm...if you were renovating your house would you smash your toilet before you made plans to put in a new one??
The city's reason for opposition to the parking was a study that the city won't show the BIA that says that it added less about 30 seconds loop time to the TTC street cars with vs without opposite side parking. Again.. hmm... won't show the study and 30 seconds? Let's be realistic here. Over that distance, 30 sec could be a J-walker, a dropped ticket, a wandering dog.. you get the idea.
If the city is SERIOUS about this, try this one.
Allow opposite side parking but on the rush hour side, the ENTIRE curb lane should be a cycling/cab/TTC only lane or HOV city lane. A few signs, a bit of paint and bam. Wide open safe travel for cyclists. Not that 24" wide strip on Annette our out on the Queenways that they call a bike lane. Sounds like a pretty good compromise to me. But then again, why did we get ride of electric buses in the first place rather than streetcars?
I'm a merchant, driver, cyclist and store owner on Dundas and I'd be pretty happy with that.
bikewestie
Lets keep neighbourhoods alive while rallying for bikes
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 12:06Don't know, but all I see along this stretch is fast, fast cars. If the mandate by Giambrone was to make this area more bike and pedestrian friendly, where are the bike lanes, benches, trees, bike locks, safe crossings? Perhaps it is time for cyclists to enter into this communities fight to make a pedestrian friendly area of our city thrive. I know there is a community meeting about to happen, and I think that the hope is to green this area. I think that the fight to keep the parking spots was a desperate attempt to keep this area heading in the direction of that (i.e. there was a fear of becoming merely a thoroughfare instead of a multi-use street servicing everyone). As for this greedy merchant thing, my suspiction is that everyone is just struggling to hold onto their businesses and trying to come up with ways of getting live bodies into their hood. I will post the day and time of the community meeting. Come out. Help these folks come up with a good plan to include cyclists in a beautification project.