Cyclists fare best if they can treat themselves to a road without motor vehicles. This is the message cyclists gave researchers at the University of British Columbia working on a study called Cycling in Cities, led by Professor Kay Teschke.
The multiphase study includes a survey of the public, asking which road and path types they prefer to cycle on, and the road and path type they actually use. The type they use is heavily influenced by what's available in the city. Looking at preferences helps city planners decide how bicycle routes can be designed to attract the most cyclists.
The study ranks routes according to preference. The highest preference was for fully separate paths, like park paths or rail trails. This isn't surprising, but there will always be the problem that not many people live at one end of a park and work at the other. For streets, if the street is a major arterial, people want a physical barrier separating them from the motor traffic. If it's a residential street, people want traffic calming and bike markings.
The researchers classified cyclists based on factors like gender, cycling frequency and parenthood.
Women and people with children scored the low preference routes even lower than men and people without children. This evidence suggests that motivating those who cycle least often requires that the most desirable routes be the focus of development.
Momentum Magazine has more information from the researchers:
Dr. Teschke, a four-year member of the City of Vancouver Bicycle Advisory Committee, initially became interested when she noticed that, as a mother who was uncomfortable cycling in the city with her young daughter, her views on the needs of urban cyclists were different than those of many of the seasoned committee members representing cyclists in the city.
and ...
Research abounds on helmets and cycling, but coming from an occupational health background, Dr. Teschke knows that personal protective gear is one of the least effective ways to prevent injury, because it doesn't prevent an actual crash. The best approach is what is known as an engineering control: separating cyclists and motorized vehicles, eliminating the opportunity for the accident altogether.
This same concept is shown in the design standard used in London, a standard that can be applied to all roads. A well designed road will meet the needs of cyclists by taking into account vehicle speed and traffic volume. This chart says it all (click on it for a better view).
What the UBC study and the London rules recognize is that roads with many types of users must be designed with each of them in mind. It is all a matter of design.
Until these routes are built, cyclists will continue to look out for themselves, but cities will need to do their part if cyclist numbers are to increase. Vehicular cycling may be promoted by cities and provinces as the self defense class for the roads, as has been done for decades now, but it is clear from this study that people will not be convinced.
Cyclists in Toronto will be interested to see the results from the next phase of the study: Bicyclist Injuries and the Cycling Environment. This will give numbers regarding injuries compared to types of routes, recorded in Toronto and Vancouver. According to Kay Teschke, Montreal could not be included because of particular difficulties conducting hospital based research there.
Thanks to Veronica for passing this story on to us.
Comments
Aidan
get home unharmed
Thu, 11/22/2007 - 11:47This is great work, and will quantify for those politicos and bureaucrats who need that sort of thing what is on all our minds: I want to get home unharmed.
geoffrey (not verified)
vehicular cycling is great until ..
Thu, 11/22/2007 - 12:06The problem with vehicular cycling is encounters with ignorant motorists unwilling to accept bicycles are vehicles and bicyclists have any entitlement to roadspace. The ensuing rounds of intimidation and/or intended assault with a motorised weapon can leave a cyclist dead.
This is the behaviour that has to be thwarted. The place to begin is with the police as they seem to share this inclination for spilling blood and seem all too willing to dismiss the actions of the protagonists in favour of blaming the outcome on the victim.
Motorists kill cyclists and pedestrians because they can and the police are all too willing to be complicit in covering up the crime.
geoffrey (not verified)
Vehicular cycling is great
Thu, 11/22/2007 - 12:32Vehicular cycling is great until ones first encounter with a motorist who refuses to accept bicycles are vehicles and bicyclists have any entitlement to roadspace. This encounter may result in anything from intimidation to death. They do this because they can. The investigating officer may well elect to be complicit in covering up the crime committed by the motorist leaving you (the cyclist) with no recourse.
geoffrey (not verified)
cough .. cough .. eh pc ali
Thu, 11/22/2007 - 12:34cough .. cough .. eh pc ali rashid #9497 .. cough ..cough
Svend
They'd buy it if they experienced it.
Thu, 11/22/2007 - 13:01People in Toronto haven't experienced a great cycling lane yet, if they did many more would commute this way.
Bloor-Danforth and Yonge St. should be prime ones, major arterial roads downtown with no streetcars that make Queen St. difficult to configure. Bike lanes separated from traffic by a curb would fit in each direction if they eliminated parking or a lane.
This should be a standard design when we have the room, and on these two roads it's there.
tanya
no curbs please
Thu, 11/22/2007 - 13:35Curbed bike lanes have several disadvantages. Montreal closes theirs in the winter since they cannot properly clear them of snow. Depending on the size, it is difficult to overtake slower cyclists. They are harder to clear of debris. They do not allow cyclists to lane position themselves with cars at intersections, meaning that left turns would have to be made with pedestrian like crossings. Right hooks would happen without separate light phases.
PLEASE NO.
Svend
Good points about curbs, Tanya.
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 16:42Tanya, you make good points about the problems with curbs to separate bike lanes from cars.
Perhaps having a line of bricks flush with the asphalt would be enough, yet still allow the snow to be cleared. A couple of curbs here and there could be positioned in place outside of winter months?
darren
strategic curbs
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 16:51Something that I think would be helpful would be to use curbs in critical places like along a bike lane where there's a curve in a busy road. Everyone here has probably seen how cars tend to cut into the bike lane on any right hand curve. I'm thinking of Bayview near Lawrence, but I know there are other examples.
This could be done with something other than concrete. Snow removal would be important and maybe the curb would be removed in the winter.
-dj
Anonymous (not verified)
Curbed lanes work elsewhere
Thu, 11/22/2007 - 14:37I was skeptical of separated, curbed bike lanes also, until I spent 3 weeks cycling on them in major centres in the Netherlands. Now I think they work just fine.
DanC (not verified)
Amusing study (but You Can't Always Get What You Want)
Thu, 11/22/2007 - 20:00No, you can't always get what you want *
You can't always get what you want
And if you try sometimes you find
You get what you need
Get educated about driving your bike!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_cycling
and take CAN-BIKE course, it's the best $75 you'll ever speed after buying a bike, helmet and mirror. Sounds a like a great Xmas present to some you really love!
http://www.toronto.ca/cycling/canbike/index.htm
Peace Out!
herb
can-bike won't do it alone
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 10:39I've taken CAN-BIKE 2 four times - once for every year I was a cycling ambassador employee with the city. Plus I'm a CAN-BIKE instructor and I've now got a couple years of teaching that under my belt. But I still think that riding on some Toronto roads requires a lot of courage. The simple fact is that I can ride as predictably and safely as possible but it doesn't mean that biking along Dundas and Six-points or along Dufferin is going to be a pleasant experience. Even if the danger of a collision is not as great riding safely it doesn't mean that I actually want to take these roads. But the issue is that to go long distances in this city these are the very types of roads that we are forced to take.
This whole "vehicular cycling" craze is pure b.s. and it's not even something that CAN-BIKE teaches exclusively. CB still acknowledges that there are good reasons for good cycling infrastructure. Countries with very high cycling usage like Denmark or The Netherlands give a double dose of great cycling infrastructure (and a willingness to try different things) and cycling education starting in elementary school.
Too often us in North America believe we have the answers when only 1 to 2% of our hardiest folk will ride on a regular basis, and only 0.000005% will ride throughout winter weather (that last number I made up). This very morning I'm getting ready to take the subway because the roads are just too icy and there's no way I'm going to share Dundas with sliding cars.
Darren_S
VC
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 11:28I have always had a hard time stomaching the VC evangelicals. Coming away from a conversation with them is like getting slapped in the head with a bible while being told father knows best. Then there is their obsession with having to find fault with cyclists involved in a serious collision in spite of the fact that the police and eye witnesses solidly say the fault lies elsewhere.
John Forrestor is another thing. Someone used to post trial transcripts from trials he was an expert witness in. It was rather alarming sometimes to hear how he developed some techniques. He admitted in one transcript that his techniques for avoiding a crash were based from one observation of crash he saw through his office window. Wish the stuff was still posted.
DanC (not verified)
What's so hard about learning?
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 19:55from Richard Moeur, AZ PE: Bicycle Facility Design, Jan 2007 on Education [slides 94, 95, 96 & 97]
94
• Education can be far more effective in improving behavior and safety than any facility type or traffic control device
• Education programs can be far cheaper than signs, markings, asphalt, & concrete
95
• Education can be effective in reducing high-risk behaviors:
• Wrong-way cycling
• Sidewalk cycling
• Nighttime operation without lights
96
• However, most cyclists do not take advantage of education, even if available
• Widespread perception: "I know how to pedal & stop -what else is there?
97
CAN-BIKE (or League of American Bicyclists)
• Targeted programs for adults, kids, motorists, commuters
• Certified instructors
• Peer-reviewed national curriculum
• Classroom & "hands-on" modules
• http://www.canbike.net/cca_pages/index.htm ( or http://www.bikeleague.org/)
What is so hard about spending 10 hours learning how to drive your bike according to the rules of the road and protect yourself? Painting stripes and other engineering "facilities" may help a few feel more comfortable but it can not replace skills for handling intersections and dealing with the unexpected, eh?
One of the reason why VC evangelicals can be get preachy, why should any cyclist senselessly suffer injury or worse, death when training can protect him or her self, make riding safe and more enjoyable. Cyclist aren't the only ones needing training: Motorists, Police and the Public also need training and awareness.
Peace Out!
Darren_S
False prophets
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 23:41One of the reason why VC evangelicals can be get preachy, why should any cyclist senselessly suffer injury or worse, death when training can protect him or her self, make riding safe and more enjoyable.
Used to hear the same thing in church years ago. Do a lot of praying and god will protect you.
Next you are going to tell me that people that practice VC never get killed or injured because if they were truly practicing VC they would have not been killed or injured.
Aidan
Used to hear the same thing in church
Sat, 11/24/2007 - 09:29Darren, I just about pissed my-lapsed-Catholic-self when I read your entry. Spot-on analysis of the circular 'logic' of the followers of both fairy tale gods.
The law and their agents have to clarify in word, fine and charge, that the more dangerous your vehicle, the higher the duty of care: drivers get nailed highest, bicycles next, pedestrians little at all. Simple.
As for cyclists and pedestrians who behave erratically, they are going to learn the hard way and the law won't reach them in time. We can't continue to use that method for drivers, because they more often harm others than themselves.
"Giant" (not verified)
I also ride (commute) though
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 11:35I also ride (commute) though the Dundas six points area. I've seen Vic go though there along Dundas. I avoid all intersections with "high" traffic volume in general, but this interchange is brutal to say the least.. I take the sidewalk under the trains on Bloor & then up "ressurection" rd? & across dundas at the light there & then sidestreets again. I rode the bus today! I agree Herb, much better than the sliding cars :)
Tom Trottier
Dealing with public fears
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 13:35It's not surprising the public is afraid of cars and thinks paths are safe. The stats prove otherwise - paths are the source of more accidents per km for cyclists. Paths don't lead everywhere, even in the Netherlands. And every path intersection with a road or driveway is a danger zone.
But we (cycling advocates) need to encourage people to start cycling and do more cycling. Paths are good for this, and for novices and children and other slow-speed cyclists. They all get more practice with cycling skills in a more enjoyable location.
Cyclists need to go on the road to go to work, to do errands, to do utility cycling. One way to boost confidence is practice, another education, another graduated levels of traffic exposure.
One way to create bicycle routes which would avoid traffic would be to create bicycle routes down streets which were made into cul-de-sacs or crescents by traffic diverters for cars, or slowed by traffic circles. e.g.:
You could have a whole bike route with few stop signs and with only short stretches for local car/truck traffic. (The cross streets would get the stop signs, with lights or stop signs on the bike route only at arterials.)
Advantages:
More on traffic calming and traffic diverters:
http://www.tfhrc.gov/safety/pedbike/pubs/05085/chapt20.htm
http://www.bikeplan.com/calm.htm
http://www.arch.wsu.edu/09%20publications/sustain/distneig.htm
tOM Trottier, VP, Citizens for Safe Cycling http://SafeCycling.ca
Tom Trottier
The headline is misleading
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 14:25It reads "Cyclists don't buy Vehicular Cycling" but the survey said
A better headline might read
"Busy roads deter the public from cycling"
tOM Trottier, VP, Citizens for Safe Cycling http://SafeCycling.ca
Darren_S
Cycling collision stats are notoriously wrong.
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 15:16Any stat on the "safeness" of a bike lane has to be taken with a grain of salt. For any given road in Toronto cycling collisions with cars are notoriously unreported, under reported, misreported, or just plain wrong. The rate is sometimes pegged around 80%, I have the Toronto Police agreeing with that rate on the record. The fault for which is spread around pretty well to various interests. Cops who do not know how to fill out an accident report properly, cyclists too much in a rush to wait for cops, and reports that get misinterpreted.
Any unsafe acts I have ever seen committed in a bike lane were those of drivers.ie parked in bike lane, driving in bike lanes, etc. I have seen a few cyclists over the years ride the wrong way in the bike lanes but they did the same when they turned onto a road with no bike lanes.
Intersections are conflicts period. You have opposing and crossing traffic. A lot of Toronto bike lanes have poor intersections, this is something that should and could be improved. Left turn lanes for instance should have at the very least a sharrow or left turn lane for cyclists. I rode in a city (forget which) just outside San Francisco that only had bike lanes/positioning in intersections. They clearly set out where one should be and everyone understood it. One intersection had three roads converge, it was clear as day where you should be to cross the intersection on a bike.
darren
response: "is not"
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 15:36Tom,
Thanks for posting those pictures.
Based on the survey results, the study categorized 31% of the population as either cyclists or "potential cyclists". Yet only 2.4 % of the population cycles regularly. What's deterring 28% of people from cycling more than once in a while? After all, they are on vehicles with equal rights and can use any road. This study shows that a huge fraction of the population doesn't agree and hasn't been convinced that they can ride on any road. The title is not misleading.
Right now we're told that all roads other than expressways (400 series, DVP, QEW, etc) are designed for cyclists. This is based on the idea that bicycles are vehicles and are welcome to share the road with others. But the majority of the roads that actually go places are high speed, high traffic, so this concept is only practical for the most skilled cyclists, a status that most people will never achieve. Telling people to learn vehicular cycling goes hand in hand with continuing to design our roads the way we've been doing it.
A bit of an aside: I don't have anything against taking a Can-bike course. I think it's a great idea given what we have around us. I just don't think the government should expect people to take them. The role of the city or province is to work at creating roads where people feel safe riding bikes. You don't have to take Can-bike to learn what a red light is or even how to signal. Cycling is a very intuitive thing. Trying to force a car behind you to give you room is not intuitive or easy.
The two examples you give that were not preferred by experienced cyclists are only 2 of a larger set of alternate road or route designs. Like you showed in your pictures and mentioned in you first post, traffic calming on straight neighbourhood streets can create excellent, attractive routes across a city, depending on the road layout.
-dj
Tone (not verified)
You are probably right, but ...
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 17:02Darren's comments regarding road design and the lack of people cycling is likely correct. However, he writes:
You don't have to take Can-bike to learn what a red light is or even how to signal. Cycling is a very intuitive thing. Trying to force a car behind you to give you room is not intuitive or easy.
I respectfully disagree -- handling a moving vehicle capable of hitting 40 - 50 km/h amongst other faster and slower users requires a fair bit of skill. Whether you are sharing the road with 4000 lb vehicles travelling 50 - 70 km/h or a bike path with walkers, joggers and other cyclists, there is considerable judgement and skill involved. Nevermind the bike handling skills needed to stop a bike as quickly as possible or avoid a potential accident.
I see that lack of skill and judgement while commuting downtown on a regular basis -- in both cyclists and motorists. It seems that skill level is far from intuitive. I know its taken me about 30 years of riding to acquire and I still make the occasional stupid call.
No doubt, better engineering is also a critical part of the picture -- skills may reduce the risk on poorly planned and unsafe roads, but they don't make them safe.
Conversely, a separated bike path/lane filled with unskilled cyclists would be a frightening (and likely dangerous!) place to ride. And, if that 1/4 of the population that could be riding on a regular basis, does, that what we might be looking at.
Darren_S
Finding out why
Fri, 11/23/2007 - 17:38It would be really interesting to find out why cyclists do things that are considered unsafe when they ride. I can never for the life of me figure out why people will pass a car on the right that is signaling such an intention. Once in awhile I will ask why and they will respond that they know it is technically incorrect but they have to deal with a lot less aggression. If you got your driver's license in the '80s that is where they told you cyclists should be, passing the car to the right along the curb.
I wait behind the cars at lights or stops and find it quite tiresome to feel the constant creep up and aggression(blowing their horns, revving engine, yelling, etc) from drivers. End up thinking what is the point, it is making the ride un-enjoyable.
Wonder how many/how to measure unsafe acts that are related to cyclists fed up with the aggression? American insures peg "aggression" as either causing or a contributing factor to the majority of car on car collisions.
Tone (not verified)
Good skills and good roads are not exclusive
Sat, 11/24/2007 - 00:14Good skills are crucial ... but good planning and road design is equally important.
A well designed road is good. Skilled users (motorists and cyclists on said road) is better. And, ignorant cyclists on a badly designed road is a recipe for disaster!
They are not mutually exclusive. But, training is the "low hanging fruit" where redesigning poor roads take a lot of capital and time.
I wouldn't claim to be the most skilled cyclist in the world, but I have been riding for a long time. I've commuted fairly steadily in Toronto for about ten years (from both the east and west end into the core). I've had exactly one minor accident and it was mostly my own fault -- riding fast past a line of stopped cars, who let a cab make a left turn into a driveway. He couldn't see me and I didn't see him until the last second. i bailed into the driveway (and took off his front licence plate with my leg!), but was uninjured. I rode more defensively after that.
I hate to tempt fate by committing that to writing -- I'll probably get doored next time I ride! But, given my experience, I'm a bit perplexed by the stories of people who have had multiple accidents in a short period of time. What are we doing differently to cause such a radically different experience?
darren
not so low
Sat, 11/24/2007 - 08:37Educating myself may be a low hanging fruit because I'm particularly interested in riding my bike, but educating the tens of thousands of users of the roads I use each day is not hanging so low. Most of them have taken tests and maybe even classes, and I see them not following what they were taught then.
People are stubborn. How long would it take to repaint lines? Move a curb? Reshaping concrete and asphalt is looking a lot easier than reeducating millions of people.
-dj
Darren_S
Good question
Sat, 11/24/2007 - 23:30"...But, given my experience, I'm a bit perplexed by the stories of
people who have had multiple accidents in a short period of time. What
are we doing differently to cause such a radically different
experience?..."
This is a very good question. You have to tread carefully though. In
Ontario you do not need to have contact with anything to have had an
accident. If you are riding and take evasive moves because of an
errant driver you have had an accident. There are no charges in the
HTA for having contact with another vehicle or person. What you are
charged with is the act that precedes the contact. If you wilfully set
out to damage a car you are charged with a criminal offence. There is
consideration for the damage/injury you caused under the HTA in
sentencing.
In reality if the cops would charge every driver/cyclist for every
errant move the streets would come to a standstill. They do tend to
charge when they see it for themselves as opposed to being called to
the scene.
One may have had one contact with a motor vehicle but if they have
numerous evasive moves on a ride there is some cause for concern.
Either their skill level is wanting or they are riding in a dangerous
part of town.
Svend
Attract and encourage first
Sat, 11/24/2007 - 09:43Attract and encourage the people first, the skills will come automatically if they are guided by masses using safe, consistent and intelligently designed bikeways.
Class instruction is always good but shouldn't be forced, we already have enough barriers to keep cyclists from dusting off their machines.
VC has its place in instructing us to ride boldly but to raise the numbers we need more bike only lanes that are more forgiving of inevitable misjudgments by riders and drivers alike.
chephy (not verified)
Surveys like this...
Sat, 11/24/2007 - 23:33...only show that the general public that rides sporadically knows very little about cycling. This obsession with concrete barriers, for one thing, which create far more problems than they solve is a very clear indication of that (tanya did a great job listing some of the many many disadvantages of such lanes).
I agree that there should be more cycling infrastructure in place, but THAT'S NOT IT.
DanC (not verified)
Oh please, charismatic authority, wake up!
Mon, 11/26/2007 - 23:01Excuse me, vehicular cyclists have accidents just like anyone else, it's just a longer period between guano happening, say 1985 and 2007! There's really no praying to God about understanding the rules of the road. Use your head, little training and instincts will keep a cyclist from harm, relax!
Aiden has a good point, commercial drivers need to exercise a higher duty of care, since they drive vehicles with large blind zones! I must question Aiden's comment "cyclists and pedestrians who behave erratically, they are going to learn the hard way ..." I apologize for feeling responsible toward others, maybe B16 is a vehicular cyclist?
Pax Out!
Darren_S
Reverend Dan
Wed, 11/28/2007 - 00:46I have no problem with and support cyclists getting training prior to riding on the road, whether to understand the rules or to improve skills. I have an exceptionally big problem with this fanaticism that goes along with VC.
The best trained cyclist is only as safe as the worst driver on the road. You can educate a cyclist all you want, if you have a driving public that ignores that training (speeding, eating while driving, drunk, etc. etc.) the best you can hope for is a level of safety equal to the worst driver out there. It is quite telling that in Toronto that the fatality rate for cyclists not at fault in a collision is much higher than the fatality rate for those cyclists at fault. While the same for injury rates are pretty much equal.
As powerful as VC may be, it cannot teach people instincts. You either have them or you don't. You can teach people skills to replace the instincts they may not have. Secondly, there is no proof that VC techniques can change the behaviours of the drivers that are most apt to kill you.
The other problem with VC is that it accepts cyclists being subjugated by a passive traffic control system with motor vehicles at the top of the food chain. A system like 'naked streets' does more to equalize the differences between cars, cyclists, and peds. The Chinese lived for years with traffic systems that favoured cycling an peds over motor vehicles with good success. Why is VC so keen to keep us with a system that kills and maims so many thousands every year?
anthony
What I got out of CAN-BIKE
Thu, 01/03/2008 - 01:34Herb, as you taught me my CAN-BIKE II course, this is what I got out of it:
You must have constant situational awareness, you must use your best judgement, and you must keep an 'escape route' handy. Also cycling is a constant negotiation with other road users. Anticipating and avoiding problems is better than to reacting to them, avoidance of a potential situation is better than reacting while in one. And then a bunch of vehicle specific technical details to illustrated and prove these points.
Which is EXACTLY the same thing I learned in my defensive driver's ed course when I was earning my drivers license.
VC evangelicals doesn't advocate the above enough, but instead tries to force cyclists to use our right to the road, not to negotiate with other road users.
Who will go first at the four-way stop? The law says one thing, but the reality is clearly different. Driving a car, truck, or bike, I don't care. If you want to avoid the collision you negotiate. Some won't negotiate the "proper" (legal) right of way , and you let them through first, or perhaps it is that they "took" another's turn. Some are too timid to negotiate, and you take their turn just to keep things moving. All situations on the road are like this. Roads are shared spaces, but motorists and the motoring industry in our society have created a Tragedy of the commons as far as our road use goes, and cyclist and pedestrians have become second class users to motor vehicles.
At an all way stop I find, too often, that a motorist will give me the right of way when I'm on a bicycle as if they expected me to blow the sign, and get confused when I didn't.
But elsewhere, I find that motorists ability to negotiate with cyclist to be non-existent. "Get off the (deleted) road" is far too often what I hear, and this is not a position a cyclist can negotiate with, instead it clearly show a complete lack of any willingness to negotiate.
VC evangelicals deny this reality and insist that all cyclists should always ride as if they are always first class citizens.
I agree, in principal with VC cyclists. The HTA does not say that cyclists should "ride as far to the right as practicable" anymore, my thanks to the VCs. But the reality is that most cyclists and motorists still behave as if it does, and still believe that it does say something like "cyclists only belong on the road if and only if they don't slow motorists down."
Other vehicles, like farm tractors, and backhoes, are just as slow as cyclists and are much bigger, but don't get the same wrath as cyclists from other motorists.
There are (too many) times when I do feel like I should be a VC evangelical and bash my Forrester "Bible" on the head of a deserving motorist, but my defensive lessons of incidence avoidance takes over, and I instead attempt to find a way to diffuse an encounter, not escalate it. Trying to smash some sense into a thick skull might make me feel better at the immediate moment, but doesn't help either of us in the longer term, and only Increases the animosity between motorists and cyclists.
Yes, as VC's advocate, we cyclists do need to assert our right to use the roads more, but we still need to be cognizant of others on the road with us.
The skills of negotiation and judgement are what we must all when on our roads, regardless of what vehicles we find ourselves in control of when we are out there.
And to answer the question what type of "facilities" I prefer to ride, if any? I find hat I like bike lanes when they truly are an unfettered right of way, but the reality is, in this city, they are too often "free parking spaces" to be truly useful, or feel safe in. I tend to prefer quieter roads, as the survey indicates, but I can, and have, ridden just about everywhere in this city. But that doesn't mean I like it, or that I felt "safe" doing it, or that I'd take my five and six year old daughters riding on the road with me "everywhere".
So, yeah, I'd prefer more bike lanes, and not just for the kids, but it is the kids that seem to benefit from them most. ;-) If only they could be kept clear of those damned parked cars!
herb
curbed bike lane issues are managable
Mon, 05/19/2008 - 09:25Tanya mentioned these negatives about curbed bike lanes. All of the issues can be dealt with, and in Montreal they are: